Normal4x continued, with permission.

Posted on 2008-05-24, 11:10

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OK, the original thread was locked by wd, and the locking has been discussed privately. For the record (stated here because I can't comment on the locking in the locked thread), I don't agree with the reasoning, since the post he quoted also explicitly ended the line of discussion he wasn't …

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Re: I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x.

Posted on 2008-05-24, 08:55

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@Elamaton: I try to make my sources buildable on other platforms (sans win32 features naturally)...MT32 emulation should be fairly crossplatform, it might just build on Mac. OK, I'll have to try that. Your builds are very nice, I've just been relying on the binaries so far (the whole normal4x …

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Re: I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x.

Posted on 2008-05-24, 08:32

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augnober wrote: The most common 4:3 LCD resolution (1280x1024) isn't mentioned at all, while x960 is. Slightly off-topic here.. but 1280x1024 is 5:4, whereas 1280x960 is 4:3. Agh. You are correct, of course. Carelessness on my side, too busy with the whole anti-Valve rant 😉

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Re: I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x.

Posted on 2008-05-24, 08:30

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obviously you aren't and I guess there are 99,99999999% illegal owners of the ROMs... For any given emulator, close to 100% of the users are using it in illegal ways, either exclusively or by complementing legal uses - mostly by simply playing games they don't own, some people by owning ROMs that …

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Re: I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x.

Posted on 2008-05-23, 11:24

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And the answer is that I don't like distributing a halfworking program. (e.g. something that needs something else to operate properly, especially if that is possibly illegal.) I'll accept that you feel that way. I disagree completely, since nothing illegal would be required for DOSBox to function, …

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Re: I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x.

Posted on 2008-05-23, 11:00

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The difference is in the interpolation at the edges. Either way if somebody wants to play at big resolutions then he shall use fullscreen which is why it's there in the first place. I used windowed mode here because it was easier to take screenshots of the final scaled image, and because windowed …

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Re: I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x.

Posted on 2008-05-23, 09:27

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Ehm... Elamaton, are you aware of Gulizoka's DOSBox build? Yes. Windows-only (I'm primarily a Mac user, secondarily Linux, tertiarily Windows), and an unofficial experimental build, however good, is still an unofficial experimental build. I like to keep it stable, steady and official in the long …

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Re: I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x.

Posted on 2008-05-23, 09:20

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I must be getting old - I don't see a f....cking difference except the mouse-pointer jumping back and forth when I flip between the images using Firefox 2.x on a 1920 x 1200 LCD screen. Yes, you probably are. I ran those by some DOSBoxing friends of mine and they all confirmed the improved picture …

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Re: I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x.

Posted on 2008-05-23, 09:17

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It's hard to say exactly what the average monitor size that DOSBox users have but going by Valve's hardware survey most people have 1024x768 size monitors. This may be one among many of the reasons why 4x hasn't been implemented yet. Nothing against the rest of your post, but I call bullshit on …

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Re: I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x.

Posted on 2008-05-23, 07:29

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Your view is a bit narrow when you say that it takes little time and effort to implement. While you may think it's acceptable to have a 4x version of the simple scaler without a 4x version of the other 2x/3x scalers, not everyone will think the same. Perhaps you noticed during your copypasting that …

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Re: Scaling, aspect ratios and Normal4x revisited

Posted on 2008-05-22, 19:46

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I thought I'd take matters into my own hands here: I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x at the dev forum. Have fun.

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I might have accidentally implemented Normal4x.

Posted on 2008-05-22, 19:43

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This is going to sound a bit outlandish, but bear with me. Earlier today at work I posted this thread: Scaling, aspect ratios and Normal4x revisited . While driving home, I thought about my statement of "it can't be that hard", concerning implementing Normal4x. I have no C/C++ experience whatsoever …

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Re: Scaling, aspect ratios and Normal4x revisited

Posted on 2008-05-22, 16:27

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IMO mixing nearestneighbor and bilinear yields the ugliest results... but whatever floats your boat :^) The pixels aren't the absolute sharpest they could be, I'll give you that, but I find NN+bilinear to be a good compromise between pixel clarity and the correct aspect ratio on an LCD. To me, the …

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Re: Scaling, aspect ratios and Normal4x revisited

Posted on 2008-05-22, 16:12

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If your target is a professional video editing software (Final Cut Pro) then use NO scaler but the editing software's capabilities. Ach, my bad, I was unclear. I originally ran into this scaling issue because of the project, but I'm really interested in Normal4x just because I like to play actual …

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Re: Scaling, aspect ratios and Normal4x revisited

Posted on 2008-05-22, 15:46

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In some other threads there are posts saying it doesn't work. I guess it depends on the OS and the video card, its drivers and its opengl support. ...and that is why it is no replacement for Normal4x, which should work everywhere. Besides, openglnb doesn't do the aspect correction properly (i.e. …

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Re: Scaling, aspect ratios and Normal4x revisited

Posted on 2008-05-22, 15:40

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Do the capture without any scaler and use your editing application for the upscaling/aspect correction. The image I scaled with VirtualDub was a completely unmodified 320x200 screencap with no scaling or aspect correction. I might have specified that better.

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Scaling, aspect ratios and Normal4x revisited

Posted on 2008-05-22, 15:03

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I'm in the middle of a project that involves capturing gameplay video from several different emulators (MAME, DOSBox, WinUAE etc.) and processing it into a form that's fit to edit in a professional application (Final Cut Pro in my case). To this end, I've done some research into the scaling methods …

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Re: Function keys OS/X

Posted on 2007-08-29, 10:25

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I found in my Mac that by pressing Option-Control-(fkey) instead of just Control-(fkey) I was able to access functions like the Keymapper. Try it. I haven't found a way of doing Control-Alt however, since the Option key IS the Alt equivalent. Alt-Enter (that is, Option-Enter) switches to Fullscreen …

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Re: DOSBox 0.7.0: Sound works in Liero!!!

Posted on 2007-04-03, 08:48

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Correction on the "dog slow": increased CPU cycles to 30 000 (takes about 50% CPU on my Core Duo Mac, which is just fine; half of one core) and the game works smooth as silk. Something less than that might work too, dunno; I'll have to test it out with some friends later. So: sounds perfect, runs …

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DOSBox 0.7.0: Sound works in Liero!!!

Posted on 2007-04-03, 08:40

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OMGWTFBBQ :exclamation: I registered here just to get this one out. For years now, I've kept an old Pentium machine in the closet to be whipped out for evenings of Liero carnage with the guys. For equally many years, I've wished that DOSBox supported sound in Liero so that it would truly be …

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