Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-12-04, 03:49

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Addendum question: I see some 775 boards with AGP, or AGP+PCIe (usually VIA PT880), with W98 drivers, but most are still limited to pre-Core2 CPUs, tho some do support Preslers. How does a Northwood/Prescott 478 compare to 775 one, at the same speed, any benefits or just a different pinout? Are …

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Re: "Fake AGP" slots?

Posted on 2022-12-04, 03:23

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Hardly. If you have enough VRAM - PCIe will have minimal impact on performance. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-ivy-bridge-pci-express-scaling/6.html https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pci-express-scaling-analysis,1572-8.html This: cod2.JPG "The two 3D games we used - Quake 4 and Call of …

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Re: "Fake AGP" slots?

Posted on 2022-12-04, 00:47

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I don't know why you are talking in terms of: " a hack of AGP on PCIE " From Wikipedia: AGR The Advanced Graphics Riser is a variation of the AGP port used in some PCIe motherboards made by MSI to offer limited backwards compatibility with AGP. It is, effectively, a modified PCIe slot allowing for …

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Re: "Fake AGP" slots?

Posted on 2022-12-03, 04:28

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You are over complicating this and getting confused with all the bullshit terms the fabs used, if the manual mentions anything to do with AGP via PCIe then its emulated AGP regardless of how they implemented it or what they called it. The host of problems comes from not actually being AGP and thus …

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Re: Fullscreen input lag

Posted on 2022-12-03, 03:24

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Sorry for the late reply to this, but: My point wasn't whether or not dgVoodoo was to blame, but without anything to compare it to, there's no way to say it does anything wrong or that there is anything to fix. If windowed is faster then it's probably v-sync related, have you tried forcing fast …

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Re: "Fake AGP" slots?

Posted on 2022-12-03, 03:16

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No, some as you have said are emulated AGP via PCIe and others are true AGP on its own bus along side the PCI express bus. That said compatibility is always going to be an issue with hybrid boards with the emulated AGP ones having a host of issues due to the missing functions. Even the true AGP-8x …

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Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-12-03, 02:57

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Old GeForce PCI cards have horrendous performance in certain games. Like anything on Quake engines . Framerate barely changes with settings. GeForce 8+ cards are better, but don't have 16-bit dithering and lack Win9x support, so they are also out of the question too. So for PCI video card, your …

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"Fake AGP" slots?

Posted on 2022-12-03, 02:22

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So around 2004-2006 there were some dual AGP/PCIE motherboards. From what I gather, only and only ULi 1695 chipset (for 939 Athlons, no Intel version) is the one that could pull a proper PCIE + AGP combo - this is from what little leftover resources I gathered on the web, I don't have it, so I can't …

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Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-12-02, 15:10

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Geri wrote on 2022-12-01, 10:15: In any windows. Its a driver bug, and the AGP version is mostly immune to these problems. Is this FX series only issue? I'd add a GF4 440 MX PCI for some Win98 compatibility, or reverse it and put 6200 PCI for some XP compatibility.

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Re: Socket 478 Motherboards with PCI-E Slots

Posted on 2022-12-01, 21:52

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AsRock P4Dual-915GL has an AGP ("fake" AGI version) slot.

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Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-12-01, 16:55

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Yeh I don't know I'm afraid. If it was me I'd just see how far you can get with just the AGP GF6. It may be your worrying about compatibility unnecessarily. Yes, but see a post from a user here, saying 6000 are unstable in W98. In any windows. Its a driver bug, and the AGP version is mostly immune …

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Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-11-30, 15:19

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I say go for it, in the end only you will know if it works for you. I miss understood you were installing 2 video cards. Assuming you would simply disable the GF6 in Win98 and FX in WinXP. otherwise it'll be very confusing driver wise as both cards share the same driver package. That said I'm not …

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Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-11-30, 06:33

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appiah4 wrote on 2022-11-30, 06:15: Overkill is about pushing the envelope, no? I did say beyond overkill 😉 And that there's nothing wrong with it, in fact it's impressive, just not what I'm going for here.

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Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-11-29, 22:35

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A build like this isn't for pure DOS. All you need is somthing that can play DOS games run inside windows 98. ... A good GPU is a FX5900 XT with a 45.23 driver. Stay away fron 6x or 7x series cards. They are mega bad in 9x. If you don't care about perfect compatibility, a 98oo PRO or even better a …

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Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-11-28, 02:40

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I'm gonna stir the hornet's nest and probably flog a dead horse too, but here it goes. Based on your list, you need a computer that has good dos and win9x support, but also can support xp era software and games as much as its possible. For this purpose, you need something with an ISA port, such as …

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Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-11-25, 13:54

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IIRC, GF4 can only be found in the lipsticked GF2, GF4x0 MX variety on PCI, which should be fine for all Win98 games that don't run on XP, and in the FX5x00s came as 5200 and 5500. However, the GF2MX PCI cards should also be considered for pre2001 win98. PCI 3D cards suddenly shot up in price …

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Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-11-04, 05:35

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So, I got my hands on a socket 478 Asrock P4V88+, didn't boot it yet (I'm seeing some nasty stuff around VRMs). Prolly has a Celeron that will become a P4 3.4Ghz HT (would I fry it if I put P4EE inside, Gallatin isn't on the supported list?). Also, two sticks of DDR1 256MB, and an ATi X1600 (Pro?) …

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Re: Fullscreen input lag

Posted on 2022-10-18, 12:53

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There's two bits of key information missing here: 1) You think dgVoodoo is laggy, compared to what? 2) What are your V-sync and triple buffer (Fast sync in Nvidia) settings? That's the main influence on how much input lag games have. Windowed mode enforces triple buffered V-sync. Edit: also Lego …

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Fullscreen input lag

Posted on 2022-10-14, 20:02

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So, most games that run in DgVoodoo Fullscreen have input lag (floaty mouse), in my personal experiences . Tricks I tried: - Forcing low number of queued frames in GPU settings doesn't help (now called Low Latency Mode in NV panel). - Disabling Win10's Fullscreen Optimizations for that game doesn't …

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Re: 478 vs 775 insurrection

Posted on 2022-10-09, 15:19

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So, I'm reading a lot of love for all 3 builds, but I see some issues: 0. I forgot, did 478 do away with ISA slots? Should I find one with it, or just stick to PCI+AGP? 1. What's with the heatsinks/coolers for 478? 2. Seems Prescott gets the most hate? 3. P4 with HT will work just fine in 9x right ( …

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