Re: my modern pci graphics card's poor performance in P3 rig

Posted on 2014-02-16, 17:09

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by kithylin

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No.. I don't have any 3D accelerated PCI cards, sadly, only 2D ones. Over here in USA, older AGP systems are so very cheap (I got the entire dell machine listed above free, except I bought the video card myself), and most of the Non-AGP systems are so slow they couldn't do 3D-Accelerated stuff …

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Re: Fast systems with ISA

Posted on 2014-02-16, 05:40

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Re: my modern pci graphics card's poor performance in P3 rig

Posted on 2014-02-16, 04:14

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by kithylin

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I booted up and ran my other computer through the same test to give you an idea of what a mid-range AGP system would be like and give you an idea where your system's performance is compared to my slower one, and my faster one. Dell Dimension 8300 2.8 Ghz P4 northwood HT (socket 478) dual-channel DDR …

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Re: Real mode DOS PCI Sound Card

Posted on 2014-02-16, 04:10

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I do admit I would like to try a high-end P3 system some day for the hell of it, and I have spent several days and searched for one on ebay. It seems to be rather difficult (almost impossible?) to find Socket 370 boards that support the 1.4 ghz, 512KB, 133 FB Tualatin CPU, and (hopefully) supports a …

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Re: Real mode DOS PCI Sound Card

Posted on 2014-02-16, 03:49

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I'm sorry, I think everyone here for some reason is misunderstanding all of this. I have another thread about VESA performance, that is -NOT- the point of this one. I started this separate thread -ONLY- to discuss PCI sound cards with full dos support in faster systems. That is, P4 and newer, AMD …

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Re: Real mode DOS PCI Sound Card

Posted on 2014-02-16, 03:16

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The Vortex 2 cards have full wavetable support under DOS. Many can also drive an external MIDI module. For DOS games in 640 x 480 I would start with a Pentium 3 system and see how you go. Make sure you run FASTVID or other utilities to boost graphics performance. P3 boards pretty much always come …

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Re: my modern pci graphics card's poor performance in P3 rig

Posted on 2014-02-15, 23:50

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by kithylin

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Just so you know, not all AGP systems are better. I just let the test run while I was off eating dinner, and got 2384 3dmarks in 3dmark 2001se, on my "EpoX-AMD" system. AMD AthlonXP Palomino @ 1952 Mhz, PC-150 ram, and a Voodoo3 3000 AGP card on KT133 chipset. I don't know if it matters but the test …

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Re: Real mode DOS PCI Sound Card

Posted on 2014-02-15, 22:36

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Yeah.. I know I'm pursuing odd things here and It's probably a waste of time trying, but well. I don't know how to explain it. It's kind of a thing of all these years I've always played dos games and seen that VESA setting there, and been like "I wonder what that looks like." But almost every system …

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Re: Fast systems with ISA

Posted on 2014-02-15, 21:37

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Re: Fast systems with ISA

Posted on 2014-02-15, 20:48

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Re: Real mode DOS PCI Sound Card

Posted on 2014-02-15, 20:41

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What do you need a fast ISA system for? Hopefully to play ms-dos games in VESA/SVGA modes at decent frame rates, while also having good sound quality. And I only have fast ISA systems because of the lack of compatible PCI cards for DOS, so.. that's the obvious reason why. @kithylin, to start with, …

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Re: Card Not Inserting

Posted on 2014-02-15, 19:34

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by kithylin

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Sometimes in some computer cases you will have to get a pair of pliers and grip the little "tooth" on the bottom end of the metal bracket on some cards and give it a very minor / small bend one way or the other to get in some cases. I've had to do this several times to get cards to fit. If you're …

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Re: Win98SE & Compact Flash = SLOW?

Posted on 2014-02-15, 19:10

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Are there motherboards that support W98se AND have integrated SATA ports? Aopen Ak89 Max: http://www.anandtech.com/show/1303 AMD Athlon64 Socket 754 board with 8x AGP. I own one (I was lucky to find one on ebay some time in 2012 for $45), nforce3-150 chipset, and SATA-150 onboard (although it's …

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Re: Real mode DOS PCI Sound Card

Posted on 2014-02-15, 01:57

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Thanks.. I already have a rather nice machine with ISA & 1952 Mhz CPU, I was just hoping to try PCI and end up with a lot faster system, possibly. I'm pretty much at the wall with the fastest ISA system I can get for a reasonable price at the moment. If I could find a PCI sound card to use, It would …

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Re: Real mode DOS PCI Sound Card

Posted on 2014-02-15, 00:34

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by kithylin

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Thank you! I'm reading all of this in detail now 😀 Edit: As I suspected, there's almost no PCI sound cards with full native wavetable support in dos 🙁

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Re: my modern pci graphics card's poor performance in P3 rig

Posted on 2014-02-14, 23:17

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by kithylin

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I made a typo and meant 2001 :> ooops! Funny what a difference a 0 and a 1 make.

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Re: my modern pci graphics card's poor performance in P3 rig

Posted on 2014-02-14, 23:01

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by kithylin

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But the OP already said they're not using Glide games, they're trying to run Dues Ex 1, half-life 1, and other 2001 Direct3D/DirectX games, which are most likely not going to do well with PCI cards. Edit: one too many 1's, needed to be a 0 instead, whoops.

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Re: my modern pci graphics card's poor performance in P3 rig

Posted on 2014-02-14, 21:57

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by kithylin

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I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but no matter what you do to that thing, and no matter how much you tweak it, you're just flat out not going to get good Direct3D / 3D-Accelerated game performance out of a PCI video card. All PCI video cards pretty much are going to have really, really poor …

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Real mode DOS PCI Sound Card

Posted on 2014-02-14, 21:01

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by kithylin

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I suppose I'll start up a thread about this. This is also something I've searched for.. for quite a long time and not had much success finding one and getting it to work. I would like to find some sort of PCI sound card for real mode MS-DOS, -NOT- windows 95 or 98, DOS, that is SB16 compatible with …

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Re: DOS VGA Video Card Performance Testing

Posted on 2014-02-14, 20:55

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.. I meant the basic VGA modes, what ever it is in the games that run, doom, quake, etc, in this test suite, 320x200, or whatever, I never really paid attention I just ran the tests to figure out which video cards are fastest. I don't know that it really matters either, VGA is VGA, anything below …

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