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Re: Hypothetically speaking Athlon XP build

Posted on 2014-04-07, 09:58

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

You're right about the hodge-podge bit. But they were cheap and between them had some promising parts, e.g. the 4200 ti, Barton, 1gb DDR ram, a big Cooler Master HAC cooler, optical drives, etc. The whole lot is one big shitty mess, but I will endeavour to make something of it, hopefully! Yeah I …

Re: WinXP and Office XP/2003 Updates after April 2014

Posted on 2014-04-07, 09:52

in Milliways

in Milliways

Our wintel team has been devastated by rampant outsourcing recently so maybe we're an exception, but what's happening at other people's workplaces? Did you move to 7 long ago? Anyone going to 8?? Honestly aside from either dated personal machines, or machines that are explicitly chosen to run older …

Re: 1.4ghz p3 or 1.8ghz p4 for win 98

Posted on 2014-04-07, 09:44

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

Here's how a PXE-840 with a 6800 Ultra performs (notice how well the 4000+ does): http://techreport.com/review/8285/intel-pentium-extreme-edition-840-processor/6 My nForce3/AGP system is usually powered by an A64 3700+ overclocked to 3GHz. When it comes down to gaming performance, it completely …

Re: Hypothetically speaking Athlon XP build

Posted on 2014-04-07, 06:58

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

The XP 2500+ can be a nice chip, but it really deserves a better graphics adapter and power supply. It doesn't look like the entire machine is "circa 2004" either - looks more like a hodge-podge. But nice to have a complete starting point no matter! I'm guessing that doing a "combo build" from the …

Re: Voodoo2 - Wanting to attach heatsinks...

Posted on 2014-04-07, 05:03

in Milliways

in Milliways

And if not a slot fan, many modern cases have front or side panel fans that can handle the expansion card region of the case; usually designed with more modern graphics cards in mind.

Re: what is with these newer cases

Posted on 2014-04-07, 02:48

in Milliways

in Milliways

The Asus board you have is ATX (standard 12x9.6) - not so huge. A lot of modern cases target the "mid tower" or "mini tower" design though, especially with the rise of MicroATX and ITX platforms. Just look for a more conventional full-tower - they still do exist, and there are many manufacturers …

Re: Voodoo2 - Wanting to attach heatsinks...

Posted on 2014-04-07, 02:43

in Milliways

in Milliways

In general I'm not a fan of thermal tape if it can be avoided, even for applications where it is appropriate (and I think in this case you should be fine). I'd suggest thermal adhesive instead - I know that both Arctic Silver and Arctic (they are very much different companies) make suitable …

Re: 1.4ghz p3 or 1.8ghz p4 for win 98

Posted on 2014-04-07, 02:39

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

Fry the Voodoo2. Voodoo2's run hot with really fast CPU's feeding them. It's that pesky scaling thing that some people deny exists. I think "hot" would have to be defined better/more accurately - just because it is hot to the touch doesn't mean a lot; what temps are actually happening on the cores, …

Re: New Socket 7 Build

Posted on 2014-04-07, 02:16

in Milliways

in Milliways

I like #4 quite a bit too! Will make a nice looking building at the end of the day.

Re: Hypothetically speaking Athlon XP build

Posted on 2014-04-06, 14:15

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

I'm surprised nobody suggested building an Athlon MP system as the ultimate Athlon XP machine. Internally, they are identical. Guess I'm nobody? :lol: (I'm just giving you the business here... :kiss:) NitroX infinity: Back in 2002-2003, no there was no real benefit for gaming and potentially the …

Re: Hypothetically speaking Athlon XP build

Posted on 2014-04-06, 03:43

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

How about Tyan s2466 + 2xAthlon MP 2800+? I would go for either Asus A7M266-D or MSI K7D Master. There was a way to mod an Athlon XP to be recognized as MP, if I'm not wrong. SMP-able is determined by a jumper setting on the chip's package (or lack thereof) - the MP and XP-M don't have it locked …

Re: New Socket 7 Build

Posted on 2014-04-06, 03:38

in Milliways

in Milliways

No - that's D-Sub to MiniDIN; I have one of those that's got cable in the middle for an old Microsoft mouse and sometimes it works, sometimes it locks up the system (depends on the board it seems). I mean DIN to MiniDIN, like this: http://www.cable-trader.co.uk/images/items/PS2%20male%20to%20AT% …

Re: Changing configurations

Posted on 2014-04-05, 14:04

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

I'd remove the drivers if you have to change versions/type for the new card (e.g. if you're switching from nVidia to 3dfx, remove the nVidia drivers), but if both cards can run under the same driver (say for example you're switching a Radeon 9800Pro out for a 9700Pro) I wouldn't remove the drivers - …

Re: 1.4ghz p3 or 1.8ghz p4 for win 98

Posted on 2014-04-05, 03:09

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

Oh didn't realise the Willamate are so bad :blush: Northwood then! The 1.6A has 40W, Yeah, I never understood why people complained about P3/Athlon being "hot" chips - Willamette uses much more power in most cases. The Northwood was an improvement, but P4 is still relatively power hungry (no worse …

Re: What happened to Firewire tech?

Posted on 2014-04-05, 01:28

in Milliways

in Milliways

From what I had heard at the time, Apple held the patent and other manufacturers had to license it from an overzealous Apple. If I am remembering correctly,Sony did not even call theirs Firewire. It's technically IEEE-1394, and maintained/developed by the 1394 Working Group. TI and Sony were also …

Re: 775 and ISA

Posted on 2014-04-05, 01:13

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

...unless someone can attest to a good use for the ISA slot in these types of boards. Supporting super-expensive but somewhat dated testing and automation equipment in the industrial/scientific sector. They aren't targeting home users at all with these kinds of boards; it's more for the folks that …

Re: 1.4ghz p3 or 1.8ghz p4 for win 98

Posted on 2014-04-05, 01:09

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

in Marvin \ General Old Hardware

But what about a single Voodoo2 in a P4? Will that risk a fry without additional cooling? Fry what? :confused: As to the original question: I think it depends on what you want the rest of the system to have, hardware wise. If you want 3.3V AGP cards (usually this means 3dfx Voodoo AGP cards) the P3 …

Re: What happened to Firewire tech?

Posted on 2014-04-05, 00:59

in Milliways

in Milliways

There are two Firewire specifications. One for 400mbps and a faster one at 800mbps. Some G4 PowerMacs had both but then Apple split them off and made the 800mbps variant available only on professional grade Macs while consumer models had to make do with 400mbps. The white Macbooks still had a …

Re: New Socket 7 Build

Posted on 2014-04-05, 00:40

in Milliways

in Milliways

Any reason not to just use the DIN to Mini-DIN adapter on the existing port? That's what I have for my AT boards - never had a problem with it.

Re: WinXP and Office XP/2003 Updates after April 2014

Posted on 2014-04-04, 11:58

in Milliways

in Milliways

How about some context for that image? April 1st isn't that far behind us. It likely won't be in Windows 8 according to the blog post it's associated with: http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/bloggingwindows/archive/2014/04/02/thoughts-on-day-1-of-build-2014.aspx "Preview of work in the next …

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