Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-02, 19:55

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by prophase_j

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Maybe you can try going with a different 4-in-1 driver. Some of these settings were likely enabled by the current driver already, hence no change in performance. Conversely, they may be disable after the driver loads. Some of those options don't have much to do with the memory subsystem, and more to …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-02, 20:35

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by retro games 100

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Maybe you can try going with a different 4-in-1 driver. Some of these settings were likely enabled by the current driver already, hence no change in performance. Conversely, they may be disable after the driver loads. Some of those options don't have much to do with the memory subsystem, and more …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-02, 22:44

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by elfuego

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Might I ask, why are you installing 4in1 driver at all? As far as I remember, Win98 SE has pretty stable and up-to-date VIA bus driver. I stopped using that driver since I tried a buggy version a long time ago. Try benchmarking w/o it...

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-03, 00:22

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by prophase_j

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The memory I used was made Crucial, which is the performace brand of Micron. 2x512mb Actually I think the sicks you have might be very close to what I have. I'm not sure if the double-sided affects the number of banks or not, but I would think that if it is, and each stick is only a single bank, …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-03, 11:33

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by retro games 100

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Might I ask, why are you installing 4in1 driver at all? As far as I remember, Win98 SE has pretty stable and up-to-date VIA bus driver. I stopped using that driver since I tried a buggy version a long time ago. Try benchmarking w/o it... (The following post is quite frankly rather dull and rambling …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-03, 17:10

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by retro games 100

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I accidentally killed the XP-M CPU. I removed it from the Abit board, and put it in the QDI Kinetiz board. I've tested this CPU out many times in this board, without any problem. I cleared the CMOS jumper, and when the BIOS POST message appeared on screen, I went to the BIOS set up area. But the …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-03, 19:37

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by Old Thrashbarg

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Unless the adapter was wired wrong to begin with (which likely would've killed the motherboard), there's not much that could go wrong with 'em. BTW, unless you're really tight on space, you usually don't need those adapters... you can just leave the extra 4 pins hanging over, if they're not already …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-03, 20:02

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by retro games 100

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Re: the PSU 24-pin to 20-pin PSU adapter. Something a bit weird has now happened with the QDI mobo. When I switch on power at the mains, the power + mobo gets switched on immediately - the mobo no longer waits for me to press the little power switch gadget attached to the 2 power pins on the mobo. …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-03, 20:13

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by prophase_j

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I suspect what might've happened is that the QDI board didn't recognize the VID setting on mobile chip and fed it too high a voltage. Either that, or you didn't get the heatsink seated as well as you thought. I agree 100% and second the possiblity if a cracked core :( I guess we'll hear after his …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-03, 20:35

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by retro games 100

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Quick update. I switched off power, but also decided to pull the power plug out of the wall mains socket. (Something to do with "power cycles" ?) I now switch on the mobo again, and it correctly sees the currently installed CPU as an "XP 2000+", and not a Duron 1400 Mhz. I am now running Memtest, …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-04, 00:05

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by 5u3

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Hmmm, sounds like your Athlon CPU's have to suffer a lot... :sly: For testing purposes and quickly trying out CPUs on Socket A boards I recommend using a lightweight aluminium heatsink. With heavy heatsinks the fragile CPU die is easily damaged around the edges. The holding clip shouldn't be too …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-04, 08:18

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by retro games 100

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Thanks a lot for the advice. I will definitely get a lightweight aluminium heatsink for quickly trying out CPUs. I will look for one that has one prong on either side. I might get one with a thin copper base, but not a heavy solid copper design. Re: the ECC errors - I noticed that the BIOS set up …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-04, 08:20

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by Shodan486

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It does not, only detects it and can work with it, but does not correct anything.

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-04, 14:35

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by Shodan486

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Check for visible problems, mainly caps and if you are able, measure the ESR - that would narrow down the HW failure - also dust may be a problem in this, and of course use good power supply, wich I believe you have.

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-04, 14:57

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by retro games 100

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The almost continuous boot up error message of "windows cannot access your registry - and needs to restart your computer" has now stopped. What's interesting is that inside the System Devices area, I now cannot see the special LLA driver anymore. It's possible that the registry scan/fixing operation …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-04, 15:15

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by Shodan486

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ESR states for Equivalent Series Resistance - it basically defines the impendance of certain electronic devices, mainly inductors and capacitros. I really don't know what level should be reached to know when the cap is going bad, just google it. But basically, this is a random behavior and it may be …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-05, 16:38

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by retro games 100

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I have finished testing the QDI Kinetiz board, and I have come to the conclusion that when it fried the mobile barton CPU, it also damaged part of its RAM processing functionality. Every fully tested + working stick of SDRAM that I have tried on this board in conjunction with Memtest results in …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-06, 15:10

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by retro games 100

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5u3 wrote: Hmmm, sounds like your Athlon CPU's have to suffer a lot... 🙄 Here are three of my "best" Athlon squashers! 😉

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-06, 18:21

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by Old Thrashbarg

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Without any kind of thermal paste the heat transfer to the heatsink is very inefficient. If the base of your heatsink is just slightly uneven, this could be almost as bad as mounting no heatsink at all! This strikes me as a great understatement, so I'll emphasize it. Running an Athlon without …

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Re: ISA PCI AGP mobos showdown: Intel 440 BX versus AMD 751/756 versus VIA KT133A :-)

Posted on 2010-01-06, 20:15

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by Old Thrashbarg

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The thing is, most heatsinks aren't nearly flat enough. Plus, a lot of the CPUs themselves had a little bit of a curve to the die surface. While that's all well and fine if there's paste there to take up the difference, you're asking for trouble when there isn't. Some Athlons can survive just fine …

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