Re: AMD or Intel into 486 vga test machine?

Posted on 2010-03-02, 17:35

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by vlask

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Ok updated results with 4 more cards. Requested S3 Vision 968 and S3 928 (after some magic with jumpers i found why Metheus didnt worked). Added also Trident TGUI9440 VLB and Cirrus Logic 5428 ISA, so you can compare results with fastest ISA card i have so far.

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Re: AMD or Intel into 486 vga test machine?

Posted on 2010-03-02, 21:19

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by GL1zdA

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Thanks for the results. It seems prove what's in the FAQ. The OTI and old Cirrus Logic suck. I thought the 928 will be better than the 805...

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Re: AMD or Intel into 486 vga test machine?

Posted on 2010-03-02, 21:31

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by vlask

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I thought the 928 will be better than the 805... Well think that main difference is in maximum supported memory size... And 928 could be faster in windows and higher resolutions with more colors. Aint gonna try it, only someone crazy could use in this time 486 for Windows machine..., so …

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Re: AMD or Intel into 486 vga test machine?

Posted on 2010-03-02, 22:15

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by GL1zdA

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I thought the 928 will be better than the 805... Well think that main difference is in maximum supported memory size... And 928 could be faster in windows and higher resolutions with more colors. Aint gonna try it, only someone crazy could use in this time 486 for Windows machine..., so …

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Re: AMD vs Intel

Posted on 2010-05-11, 16:59

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by sgt76

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I agree Intel chips are better (and cooler...and more expensive!) but I don't like what Intel is doing, making 2 new sockets almost annually, making their current generations technological dead ends. Good job on the new build but uhhh, I donno bout the dead end thing man. AMD's just as guilty. I'm …

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Re: AMD vs Intel

Posted on 2010-05-11, 20:49

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by swaaye

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Tualatin also runs a lower voltage than any other Intel S370 CPU. That frequently necessitates a new voltage regulator, and this is not a move to make it incompatible intentionally but a result of 130nm. Every socket or slot that had more than a year of life saw changes that made earlier …

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-10, 10:48

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by gerwin

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I got a little problem with this KT400 system Crystal diskmark 2.2 Seq Read test: KT400 with WD800JB IDE HDD: 28 MB/s KT600 with WD800JB IDE HDD: 58 MB/s BIOS settings are optimal for all I know, It was tested on a partition without much fragmentation. Now when these identical harddisks were both …

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-10, 16:25

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by ux-3

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Try another cable? DMA disabled by too many read errors in the past? 3DM00/01 is basically a cpu-mark these days.

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-10, 17:37

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by swaaye

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I was looking over some old mobo reviews awhile ago and discovered that VIA disk controllers basically suck. It's something that I've suspected for years and looking up review numbers showed it to be very true. If that mobo has a separate IDE RAID controller, try it instead. The Highpoint chips are …

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-10, 22:42

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by Tetrium

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I was looking over some old mobo reviews awhile ago and discovered that VIA disk controllers basically suck. It's something that I've suspected for years and looking up review numbers showed it to be very true. If that mobo has a separate IDE RAID controller, try it instead. The Highpoint chips are …

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-10, 23:50

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by Old Thrashbarg

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I've found that Via disk controllers tend to work fine as long as you don't install the Via drivers for them... I always stick with the MS built-in drivers, and have never had any issues.

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-11, 00:20

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by swaaye

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Yeah there's not much point in installing drivers for PATA controllers that work as generic IDE hardware. Regardless of manufacturer. I've never seen an improvement in performance. On the other hand, I have definitely found problems with 3rd party IDE drivers. Regarding VIA performance though see: …

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-11, 21:10

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by gerwin

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Thanks for the response, I have found another flatcable (yes one with 80 wires) and will first try if that improves the transfer speed on the KT400. Sorry for the delay, but a router and netbook (1000HE) just came in and I just could not resist to set them up first.

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-15, 11:20

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by gerwin

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gerwin wrote: Thanks for the response, I have found another flatcable (yes one with 80 wires) and will first try if that improves the transfer speed on the KT400. Tried the new cable, but it doesn't make any difference. 🙁

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-15, 13:32

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by ux-3

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What about DMA? You know that windows will shut the fast access down eventually. I had this a few times when I was trying to safe a disk which was damaged. Too many read errors make windows use pio mode again - for good! Check in the hardware manager

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-15, 17:21

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by gerwin

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What about DMA? You know that windows will shut the fast access down eventually. I had this a few times when I was trying to safe a disk which was damaged. Too many read errors make windows use pio mode again - for good! Check in the hardware manager Ah, there I found it, but it says "Ultra DMA" …

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-16, 17:20

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by gerwin

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Solved it, after reading the clue on a german forum: The 'Halt' power saving CPU state causes the harddisk's poor performance. Disable Halt with the BIOS or with CBid and the disk's transfer rate doubles. But because 'StpGnt' power saving CPU state can still be enabled the CPU seems to remain cool.. …

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-16, 17:35

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by swaaye

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HLT slowing the HDD. That's a new weirdness. Maybe an ACPI quirk with that board? Another possible cause is problems with APIC (that's not ACPI). I had problems similar to yours with SBLive on a nForce2 mobo when APIC was enabled. APIC allows for many more IRQs than the standard PIC. Sometimes it …

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Re: Socket-A AMD Athlon/Sempron system

Posted on 2010-06-16, 17:54

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by gerwin

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I see, I will try what APIC settings are available and what they do. (but not today...) To still enable StpGnt on this mobo, I now have to use the Coolon utility ( http://coolon.o-ya.net/en/ ), but comment out one line in the coolons.ini file so Halt remains disabled and StpGnt gets enabled. Like …

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Re: Do ATI/AMD cards have an Extension Limit control ?

Posted on 2010-06-28, 13:05

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by leileilol

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No setting, but i've never ran into a extension listing overflow crash with older apps and games as far as i've seen. Vanilla GLQuake's the one to test for that, and that works on ati hd, but not on Geforce (the whole series overloads the extensions)

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