Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 07:05
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 10:34
eL_PuSHeR wrote: I shelled out 1000€ for my now aging i7-5960x cpu and now a first generation Ryzen 3 cpu is even faster when playing csgo. Ryzen 3000? Possible. 1st gen Ryzen 3 (1200 or 1300X)? I don't think so.
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 10:39
Spectre and Meltdown fiasco showed that Intel had very questionable engineering all this time, which finally bited them in the ass. That and the continuing struggles with 10nm process are major blow to their market domination.
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 11:09
Yeah. For example, Zen CPUs are vulnerable to Variant 4 (speculative store bypass), but older (and slower) CPUs like Phenom II are not.
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 12:24
Yeah. For example, Zen CPUs are vulnerable to Variant 4 (speculative store bypass), but older (and slower) CPUs like Phenom II are not. Aren't there any "mitigation" (never thought I'd have heard such word in the it security world, not to mention "hardware mitigation" :lol: ) for these cpus? And …
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 13:27
appiah4 wrote: forces them out of the x86 market in a couple of years. No. Competition's important
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 13:33
leileilol wrote: appiah4 wrote: forces them out of the x86 market in a couple of years. No. Competition's important Unfortunately for us the competitors remains always two. No more allowed.
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 14:07
Calling x64 a limited innovation? Maybe you would've liked to live on with shit like Itanium, but no thanks. Also Ryzen is not innovative? That's where I stopped reading. Seriously. The chiplet approach by itself is probably the most groundbreaking CPU innovation of the decade.
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 15:02
I shelled out 1000€ for my now aging i7-5960x cpu and now a first generation Ryzen 3 cpu is even faster when playing csgo. Ryzen 3000? Possible. 1st gen Ryzen 3 (1200 or 1300X)? I don't think so. He says 1st gen Ryzen and you go directly to 1200? Some weird logic there. Ryzen 1800X would match …
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 15:25
Also, I have a new contender (Motorola) and a new website: http://www.cpushack.com/category/cpu-of-the-day/
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 15:27
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 15:30
Conventional wisdom has been to use a single ASIC as with Netburst dual, Core 2 quad, and IBM Power MCMs. Intel's MCMs were homogenous VLSI (aside from cache on slot). Which is why I specifically chose Westmere. Firstly because it is heterogeneous (CPU-die and GPU-die). Secondly, because it mixes …
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 15:54
gdjacobs wrote: Also, I have a new contender (Motorola) and a new website: http://www.cpushack.com/category/cpu-of-the-day/ Apple/Motorola vs. Win-tel ( 1990's)
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 20:12
appiah4 wrote: You are being obtuse on purpose surely Scali. Of course he is, that’s his favourite game and thus there’s no point engaging IMO. On topic, I’m loving on my Ryzen after years of loving on my i5 after years of loving on my Athlon 64 - swings and roundabouts in my book 😀
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 20:52
Conventional wisdom has been to use a single ASIC as with Netburst dual, Core 2 quad, and IBM Power MCMs. Intel's MCMs were homogenous VLSI (aside from cache on slot). Which is why I specifically chose Westmere. Firstly because it is heterogeneous (CPU-die and GPU-die). Secondly, because it mixes …
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-04, 21:34
Fair enough, although an onboard GPU doesn't really comprise part of the CPU (yet). It does actually, in this case. The CPU and GPU share the memory controller. In the case of Westmere, the memory controller is actually on the GPU-die. So every memory access of the CPU also passes through the GPU …
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-05, 02:08
It does actually, in this case. The CPU and GPU share the memory controller. In the case of Westmere, the memory controller is actually on the GPU-die. So every memory access of the CPU also passes through the GPU die. I'd say that makes it "part of the CPU". In fact, because the memory controller …
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-05, 09:22
Indeed, part of the general trend in the industry to move more core logic into the cpu package. So then, can we all agree that splitting up the CPU logic into multiple dies in the CPU package (or 'chiplets', depending on marketing terminology) is not that innovative in 2019? Westmere is prior art …
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-05, 11:05
Re: To end the AMD v. Intel debate.
Posted on 2019-12-05, 12:55
So then, can we all agree that splitting up the CPU logic into multiple dies in the CPU package (or 'chiplets', depending on marketing terminology) is not that innovative in 2019? Westmere is prior art from early 2010. Or am I just deliberately being obtuse? Well, "innovative" is a very overused …
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