I know that Discworld 2 has some issues with sound, but it works. I imagine that they both use the same (or similar) engine, so I'm not sure why Discworld 1 wouldn't.

Well, I don't get this.

I have Win2k PRO @ home and Discworld (as DL'ed from the Underdogs) and everything works just swell (music, speech, etc.). Using VDMSound 2.0.4 with "Update 1" (I imagine it also works without "Update 1"). Using default settings with LaunchPad, so nothing fancy there.

Do you get an error, or just no sound? Have you run CONFIG.BAT/SETSOUND.EXE? Do any other games work with sound on your system?

V.

I finished Discworld2 using VDMSound under WXP. It had some issues with speech like Full Throttle, but it didn't bother me.

I have Discworld1 installed and it starts up fine and music and speech works, but I haven't actually yet played it.

... and I successfully finished Discworkd 1 ( http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?name=Discworld ) with VDMSound under Win2k without any problems, with both MIDI music and digitasl sound effects (speech).

Say, creech, check out http://vdmsound.sourceforge.net/compat/list.php?appid=30 -- have you installed the patch?! I think DISC104.EXE is the patch in question. Hmmmm, it appears that the patch is for DWII. Crap. In any case, you can get it from http://www.thediscworld.co.uk/d1patch.htm (link seems broken, try http://www.alltheweb.com/go/1/H/ftp/ftp/ftp.s … s/d/disc_up.zip instead).

If that doesn't work either then tell you what: take a look at the list below and compare it with what you get on your computer. Spot any files that are different and I'll try to send them to you (I did "dir /os" to sort them by size, which should make matching a bit easier).

1[size=9]
2H:\games\discworld>dir /os
3 Volume in drive H has no label.
4 Volume Serial Number is 0CEE-D038
5
6 Directory of H:\games\discworld
7
825/02/2001  23:51       <DIR>          SAVE
925/08/2002  12:08       <DIR>          ..
1025/08/2002  12:08       <DIR>          .
1125/02/2001  18:13                   16 DISC.BAT
1220/04/1995  14:54                   20 CONFIG.BAT
1325/02/2001  18:16                   36 DWCONF
1408/03/1995  13:27                  256 RM.DRV
1525/02/2001  23:34                  702 MAKECD.BAT
1608/02/1997  13:59                1'696 NULL.MDI
1708/02/1997  13:59                2'002 MPU401.MDI
1808/02/1997  13:58                2'214 PROAUDIO.DIG
1908/02/1997  13:58                2'871 SBPRO.DIG
2008/02/1997  13:58                2'923 SB16.DIG
2108/02/1997  13:58                2'936 RAP10.DIG
2207/11/1995  06:00                2'971 SNDSCAPE.MDI
2307/05/1995  13:38                2'980 INDEX
2408/02/1997  13:58                3'212 SBLASTER.DIG
2518/01/1995  06:00                3'219 JAMMER.DIG
2618/01/1995  06:00                3'242 SAMPLE.AD
2718/01/1995  06:00                3'242 SAMPLE.OPL
2807/11/1995  06:00                4'171 SNDSCAPE.DIG
2908/02/1997  13:59                4'792 PCSPKR.MDI
3008/02/1997  13:59                5'097 TANDY.MDI
3108/02/1997  13:59                7'018 MT32MPU.MDI
3218/01/1995  06:00                9'478 ULTRA.DIG
3318/01/1995  06:00               10'484 SAMPLE.CAT
3418/01/1995  06:00               10'780 SAMPLE.BNK
3518/01/1995  06:00               11'278 ADRV688.DIG
3608/02/1997  13:59               15'073 ADLIB.MDI
3708/02/1997  13:59               15'205 SBLASTER.MDI
3808/02/1997  13:59               15'512 PAS.MDI
3908/02/1997  13:59               15'558 SBPRO1.MDI
4031/01/1995  06:00               16'073 AILDRVR.LST
4108/02/1997  13:59               16'464 ADLIBG.MDI
4208/02/1997  13:59               16'474 OPL3.MDI
4308/02/1997  13:59               16'545 PASPLUS.MDI
4408/02/1997  13:59               16'628 SBPRO2.MDI
4507/05/1995  13:21               26'396 CLAWS1.SCN
4622/10/1996  19:04               31'396 SBAWE32.MDI
4707/05/1995  13:15               34'960 PSYGNOSI.SCN
4818/01/1995  06:00               49'672 ULTRA.MDI
4907/05/1995  13:21               54'676 CLAWS2.SCN
5007/05/1995  13:35               57'852 PASTTHIE.SCN
5107/05/1995  13:21               59'452 CLEAVAGE.SCN
5207/05/1995  13:21               64'884 DRAGON.SCN
5307/05/1995  13:15               73'420 TITLE.SCN
5407/05/1995  13:21               73'540 PASTCITY.SCN
5507/05/1995  13:19               74'260 CUTANKHM.SCN
5607/05/1995  13:12               74'612 BOOK.SCN
5707/05/1995  13:23               75'608 PASTENSU.SCN
5807/05/1995  13:22               77'996 DONKCART.SCN
5907/05/1995  13:25               79'368 CUTHIDEO.SCN
6007/05/1995  13:23               79'728 PASTFISH.SCN

6107/05/1995  13:21               85'720 MONK3.SCN
6207/05/1995  13:23               89'284 ENSUITE.SCN
6307/05/1995  13:35               90'316 THIEF.SCN
6407/05/1995  13:22               94'540 DISCMAP.SCN
6507/05/1995  13:25              101'128 HIDEOUT.SCN
6607/05/1995  13:26              106'184 INTROHID.SCN
6707/05/1995  13:15              106'892 CREDITS.SCN
6807/05/1995  13:21              107'580 DETECTOR.SCN
6907/05/1995  13:36              110'192 PASTTOIL.SCN
7007/05/1995  13:29              116'880 MISSILE.SCN
7107/05/1995  13:30              117'356 PARK.SCN
7207/05/1995  13:32              118'540 SPACE.SCN
7307/05/1995  13:29              122'624 CUTPALEN.SCN
7407/05/1995  13:21              123'880 CELLAR.SCN
7507/05/1995  13:15              126'440 TWG.SCN
7607/05/1995  13:21              127'844 CATHOUSE.SCN
7707/05/1995  13:20              134'304 MONK1.SCN
7807/05/1995  13:16              134'528 ACT1.SCN
7907/05/1995  13:16              135'536 ACT2.SCN
8007/05/1995  13:16              136'388 ACT3.SCN
8107/05/1995  13:16              136'420 ACT4.SCN
8207/05/1995  13:30              137'336 REAR.SCN
8307/05/1995  13:26              138'464 INNROOM.SCN
8407/05/1995  13:27              139'572 INTROUNI.SCN
8507/05/1995  13:36              146'768 TOYSHOP.SCN
8607/05/1995  13:19              150'820 ATUIN.SCN
8707/05/1995  13:30              151'924 HOLRETRO.SCN
8807/05/1995  13:29              158'972 MONKCORN.SCN
8907/05/1995  13:12              162'904 OBJECTS.SCN
9007/05/1995  13:36              162'932 TOILET.SCN
9107/05/1995  13:30              166'420 PUB.SCN
9207/05/1995  13:20              168'032 MONK2.SCN
9307/05/1995  13:21              168'480 MONK2B.SCN
9407/05/1995  13:18              169'128 ANKHMAP.SCN
9507/05/1995  13:21              170'796 MONK5.SCN
9607/05/1995  13:27              175'280 LIVERY.SCN
9707/05/1995  13:29              175'692 PASTMONK.SCN
9807/05/1995  13:25              177'228 PASTINN.SCN
9907/05/1995  13:16              178'748 CUTALLEY.SCN
10007/05/1995  13:30              180'284 CUTPUB.SCN
10107/05/1995  13:30              180'396 RETRO.SCN
10207/05/1995  13:35              184'948 CUTTEMPL.SCN
10307/05/1995  13:29              185'944 MIRROR.SCN
10407/05/1995  13:21              186'316 CLOSET.SCN
10507/05/1995  13:27              186'564 INTROARC.SCN
10607/05/1995  13:29              196'008 CUTMONKC.SCN
10707/05/1995  13:18              199'104 PASTANKH.SCN
10807/05/1995  13:30              202'636 RECEPTIO.SCN
10907/05/1995  13:29              203'196 MINEENT.SCN
11007/05/1995  13:32              209'940 SHEEP.SCN
11107/05/1995  13:23              213'504 FISHMONG.SCN
11207/05/1995  13:29              213'644 OVEREDGE.SCN
11307/05/1995  13:35              215'324 DEATHTHI.SCN
11407/05/1995  13:30              220'032 HOLRECEP.SCN
11507/05/1995  13:23              225'196 DEATHFIS.SCN
11625/02/2001  23:30              225'836 BurnData.rar
11726/04/1995  11:52              228'878 ENGLISH.TXT
11807/05/1995  13:24              233'844 FOOL.SCN
11907/05/1995  13:31              238'380 DEATHROO.SCN
12007/05/1995  13:20              241'328 CUTBAR.SCN
12107/05/1995  13:35              242'312 TEMPLE.SCN
12207/05/1995  13:30              249'452 PAVEMENT.SCN
12307/05/1995  13:21              261'612 MONK4.SCN
12407/05/1995  13:20              263'284 BRETHREN.SCN
12507/05/1995  13:34              266'536 CUTSQUAR.SCN
12607/05/1995  13:24              268'712 PASTHIDE.SCN
12707/05/1995  13:20              272'300 BARBER.SCN
12807/05/1995  13:35              275'144 ROCKROLL.SCN
12907/05/1995  13:28              282'876 MAMBO.SCN
13007/05/1995  13:37              282'964 WITCH.SCN
13107/05/1995  13:21              287'860 CITYGATE.SCN
13207/05/1995  13:29              288'952 PALENT.SCN
13307/05/1995  13:21              295'488 PASTCATH.SCN
13407/05/1995  13:29              297'132 MOUNTPAS.SCN
13507/05/1995  13:35              300'368 SUNSET.SCN
13607/05/1995  13:27              301'196 KITCHEN.SCN
13707/05/1995  13:24              310'448 DEATHFOO.SCN
13807/05/1995  13:21              312'688 CAMERA.SCN
13907/05/1995  13:19              314'916 ARCH.SCN
14007/05/1995  13:18              323'532 ALTAR.SCN
14123/03/1995  14:35              325'221 SETSOUND.EXE
14207/05/1995  13:23              330'312 ENDGAME.SCN
14307/05/1995  13:34              332'308 PASTSTRE.SCN
14407/05/1995  13:37              344'860 WORLDEDG.SCN
14507/05/1995  13:30              354'156 RAMKIN.SCN
14607/05/1995  13:30              354'268 PASTPARK.SCN
14707/05/1995  13:29              356'672 MYSTWOOD.SCN
14807/05/1995  13:26              359'608 ISLAND.SCN
14907/05/1995  13:28              359'800 LWOOD.SCN
15007/05/1995  13:22              361'712 LIGHTNIN.SCN
15107/05/1995  13:31              373'676 CUTROOFT.SCN
15207/05/1995  13:18              410'624 CUTALSHO.SCN
15307/05/1995  13:20              411'440 BARN.SCN
15407/05/1995  13:21              427'360 CLOSEUP.SCN
15507/05/1995  13:19              430'888 PASTBAR.SCN
15607/05/1995  13:31              432'840 ROOFTOPS.SCN
15707/05/1995  13:22              435'376 DRAGCAGE.SCN
15807/05/1995  13:36              443'664 CUTTOILE.SCN
15907/05/1995  13:34              445'696 STREET.SCN
16007/05/1995  13:32              454'344 DEATHSHA.SCN
16107/05/1995  13:25              461'196 PASTINNR.SCN
16207/05/1995  13:27              466'304 PASTLIBR.SCN
16307/05/1995  13:30              475'920 PASTPUB.SCN
16407/05/1995  13:23              486'192 DEATHDUN.SCN
16507/05/1995  13:15              489'240 PERFECT1.SCN
16607/05/1995  13:36              496'592 CUTTHRON.SCN
16707/05/1995  13:37              511'960 UNIGARD.SCN
16807/05/1995  13:29              538'024 MINE.SCN
16925/02/2001  18:12              540'325 DWB.EXE
17007/05/1995  13:14              552'844 CUSTARD.SCN
17107/05/1995  13:19              569'984 BAR.SCN
17207/05/1995  13:23              595'016 DUNNYMAN.SCN
17307/05/1995  13:25              599'176 INN.SCN
17407/05/1995  13:18              599'356 ALSHOP.SCN
17507/05/1995  13:32              601'928 PASTSHAD.SCN
17607/05/1995  13:36              607'440 THRONE.SCN
17707/05/1995  13:16              616'508 ALLEY.SCN
17807/05/1995  13:23              623'592 DUNGEON.SCN
17907/05/1995  13:37              623'904 UNSEEN.SCN
18007/05/1995  13:24              633'884 HAT.SCN
18107/05/1995  13:31              639'340 RINCEROO.SCN
18207/05/1995  13:26              653'372 INTROSHA.SCN
18307/05/1995  13:24              654'120 GODS.SCN
18407/05/1995  13:16              673'248 TURTLE2.SCN
18507/05/1995  13:32              700'840 SPIRE.SCN
18607/05/1995  13:24              719'080 GORGE.SCN
18707/05/1995  13:20              736'540 CUTBARN.SCN
18807/05/1995  13:31              751'964 SHADES.SCN
18907/05/1995  13:27              757'416 LIBRARY.SCN
19007/05/1995  13:28              773'728 LSPACE.SCN
19107/05/1995  13:37              776'188 DW.SCN
19207/05/1995  13:13              782'344 FINALE.SCN
19307/05/1995  13:16              829'536 TURTLE.SCN
19407/05/1995  13:34              863'292 SQUARE3.SCN
19507/05/1995  13:33              872'900 SQUARE.SCN
19607/05/1995  13:38              882'402 MIDI.DAT
19707/05/1995  13:22              915'504 DINING.SCN
19807/05/1995  13:33              929'452 SQUARE2.SCN
19907/05/1995  13:28              974'324 MAGBOOK.SCN
20007/05/1995  13:15              979'052 CLIMAX.SCN
201             190 File(s)     51'318'986 bytes
202               3 Dir(s)   3'634'130'944 bytes free
203[/size]

V.

It would be much easier for the guy, Vlad, if you just made an SFV and attached it. That's a lot of files to manually check sizes of.

Well, he can always get GNU "util" Win32 port. All you need is awk and diff. Otherwise can always use Excel.

What's SFV anyway?

V.

SFV = Simple File Verification. It's basically a file with CRC32 checksums.

eg. For the DOS4GW files:

1;  Generated by WIN-SFV32 v1 [added for sfv32 compatibility]
2;  Using hkSFV32 on 08.22.2002 at 08:53:00
3;  [url]http://www.big-o-software.com/software/[/url]
4; 
51_6.EXE 099EFB69
61_8.EXE 32376422
71_9.EXE 7DD43C8B
81_92.EXE C8E3CF7D
91_95.EXE 95D35B4D
101_95_2.EXE 3B750E06
111_97.EXE 5CC34B0F
121_97_2.EXE CB214447
131_97_3.EXE EA7106EB
142_01A.EXE A47C6A1F

Note: Big-O Software's hkSFV32 is probably the best SFV program I've found. However, the Big-O site is dead, at least at the moment. There are, however, tonnes of other SFV utilities. I'm not actually sure WHERE I found my copy of hkSFV32, heh... I suppose you can always check the FastTrack or Gnutella networks for it. (It is freeware.)

I can play the Discworld version from Underdogs under XP with SB sound and midi music without VDMS. The drawback is that you must use the basic 8bit SB2.0 driver.

Yeah, that's WinXP's crappy built-in DOS sound support.

Vlad, seriously, give the guy an SFV file so he can check his files. Um, also, just since you haven't, please read the POSTING GUIDELINES. Thaaaanks.

Zorbid wrote:

I can play the Discworld version from Underdogs under XP with SB sound and midi music without VDMS. The drawback is that you must use the basic 8bit SB2.0 driver.

Good, so the game works without VDMSound. But what on earth happens when you run it *with* VDMSound? No sound? Then what most certainly happened is that you ran CONFIG.BAT *without* VDMSound (bad!), ao the game auto-detected WinXP's settings (i.e. IRQ5), and not VDMSound's settings (IRQ7). So it would then be normal to get sound *without* VDMSound and no sound with VDMSound. If you mean to run the game with VDMSound then please run the CONFIG program with VDMSound as well!

V.

Fisu wrote:

I finished Discworld2 using VDMSound under WXP. It had some issues with speech like Full Throttle, but it didn't bother me.

Not sure if you will ever see this, but can you tell me how you got Discworld 2 to run under XP please? I've tried everything I can think of and it's just not happening.

I tried to install the DOS version earlier in an XP DOS window but kept getting a "No supported SuperVGA chip detected!" error, so that was the end of that experiment.

Use VDMSound and check "Enable VESA" or whatever in the VDMS Launchpad.

Thanks, I'll give that a try.

It was a no-go unfortunately. The DOS install program starts for DW2 and no longer gives the SuperVGA error, but now it just kicks back to the desktop for seemingly no reason shortly after.

Trying to reuse the shortcut that LaunchPad created just crashes Windows Explorer.

Thanks anyway though.

That's really weird, since I can get it to run fine here. What are your system specs? (POSTING GUIDELINES!!)

Ironheart wrote:

Trying to reuse the shortcut that LaunchPad created just crashes Windows Explorer.

What do you mean by "Trying to reuse the shortcut"? Double-clicking on it again, or popping up the properties? Also, could you please give as mcuh detail as possible (e.g. screenshot of error message/box) about the Explorer crash?

V.

I mean double-clicking it, it causes Windows Explorer to crash immediately. Unfortunately there is no pertinent information in the crash (other than it is in module kernel32.dll) but I will try and grab a screenshot of it shortly.

Specs:

Soyo K7V Dragon Plus Motherboard (VIA KT266A)
AMD Athlon XP 1700+ (1.47GHz)
512MB Crucial PC-2100 DDR
Gainward GeForce3 Ti 200 64MB (Detonator 31.00)
C-Media CMI8738 On-board Audio (latest drivers, v639)
Windows XP Pro, SP1

I know it's a bit of an imposition, but you possibly give me a run-through of exactly what you do after putting the DW2 CD in the drive please? I might be doing something wrong (though I'm not sure what).

Should also say I'm using the latest version of VDMSound (with Update 1) and LaunchPad.

Here is a step-by-step to show what I did.

Put the Discworld 2 CD1 in the drive (Lite-On DVD-ROM, LTD-163) (should also point out that this is the European version, Discworld 2: Missing Presumed...!? as opposed to the US release called Discworld 2: Mortality Bytes, although they are the same games, just different titles) and cancelled the autorun screen that pops up to prompt me to install the Windows version (as this doesn't work under XP).

Navigated to the drive with Windows Explorer, right click "install.bat" and pick "Run With VDMS" with the little icon" -> Custom Configuration -> Create New -> Advanced -> Compatibility -> Check "Enable basic VESA support" -> Next -> Uncheck "Remember" (as it's on a CD-ROM so it gives an error about not being able to write to the disk otherwise, which is obvious as it's a DVD drive and can't write to CDs) -> Finish.

The screen goes black, I see some messages flash by about DOS4GW runtime or something like that, then it kicks back to the desktop.

I then tried copying the whole CD to the hard drive and trying it that way, which is when the shortcut does get created in the folder (as I check the "Remember" part). I get kicked back to the desktop again, then when I double-click the shortcut to run it again, Windows Explorer crashes with an error in kernel32.dll as shown.

Hmm, it does not seem to be crashing Explorer now, not sure why as it did before. Each time I try to reuse the shortcut VDMS made (double-clicking) it just does as before, gives the black screen, goes through something about DOS4GW then back to the desktop, so I'm clueless as to what is going on 🙁

Try to get the US version from theunderdogs.org and see if behaves the same. I'm asking because I finished DW2 (from the UDogs) uinder Win2k with VDMSound and it worked "out of the box" without problems (no fancy settings or tricks, just "Run with VDMS" in LaunchPad).

When you get the Explorer crash, do you get something like "Press OK to exit, press Cancel to debug"? I want you, if you ever get this again, to trigger a stack trace (by pressing Cancel I presume) at which point wither Dr. Watson will pop up (don't cancel Dr. Watson though!) and will write some information in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents\DrWatson\drwtsn32.log, or the Microsoft debugger will pop up if you have Visual Studio installed (at which point you can see the stack trace from one of the menus, I think the "Debug" or "View" or whatever it is called menu).

Thanks,
V.