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First post, by DosFreak

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https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microso … e-new-features/
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/rel … windows-11-22h2

You can use the following to bypass the hardware requirements:
https://github.com/AveYo/MediaCreationTool.ba … e/main/bypass11
or
https://rufus.ie/en/
or
I think I copy and pasted this from somewhere else, I've never verified it but seems to be missing diskpart and MBR

So, before booting the ISO, ensure that you have a partition already made.

Once booted into the ISO, press Shift+F10, this will open CMD. (You might need to click next before doing this, not sure.)

You can type
Code:

notepad

and press enter to open notepad. The save as dialog can be used to check drive letters. (However to make this example simple, I'll use C as the drive to install on, and D as the drive that contains your install USB/DVD.)

Type
Code:

dism /Get-WimInfo /WimFile:D:\Sources\install.wim

and press enter. This shows every edition of Windows in the ISO, and gives you the proper index number for the next command. (If this doesn't work, try install.esd instead of install.wim)

Type
Code:

dism /Apply-Image /ImageFile:D:\Sources\install.wim /index:1 /ApplyDir:C:\

and press enter. This will write Windows 11 to the drive.

Once that is finished, type
Code:

C:\Windows\System32\bcdboot C:\Windows

this will install the bootloader onto the drive.

Now you can reboot into Windows 11, installed just with CMD. I actually use this method to install all versions of Windows (8 and newer) as it's faster and I avoid the buggy Windows Setup experience.

The following are greyed out in "Windows Features":
Microsoft Defender Application Guard
Windows Sandbox

Windows updates downloaded and installed fine.

As far as logging in as long as you set it up for work and domain join (no you don't need a domain) then a MS login is not required. For the Home version I haven't if the following works (it does for 21H2)

WINDOWS 11 HOME 
For Windows 11 Home when you get to the screen where it asks to setup your account you'll still need to:
1. Pull the cable
or

2.netsh interface show interface
netsh interface set interface name="INTERFACE NAME" admin=DISABLED

3. Click the back arrow.
4. Create your local account


UNTESTED
taskkill /F /IM oobenetworkconnectionflow.exe

or
Unverified
Username: test
Password: test
or
Unverified on 22H2

    Shift+F10

Type OOBE\BYPASSNRO in the command prompt

Hopefully this won't be necessary but based on previous threads I'll state it: If you feel the need to rant about your preferred OS please do it elsewhere. Thanks in advance.

Last edited by DosFreak on 2022-09-23, 00:39. Edited 3 times in total.

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Reply 1 of 17, by TrashPanda

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I’ve been on 22H2 for a while and it’s been one of the buggier builds thus far, lots of green stop errors due to drivers and poor memory handling.

Hopefully this full release will have fixed the issues.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 2 of 17, by luckybob

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I'd still be using SEVEN if it wasn't for the "upgrade" to DX12 on my gaming machine. I have no plans to upgrade until I'm literally forced to by the games I play.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 3 of 17, by TrashPanda

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luckybob wrote on 2022-09-23, 03:29:

I'd still be using SEVEN if it wasn't for the "upgrade" to DX12 on my gaming machine. I have no plans to upgrade until I'm literally forced to by the games I play.

I’m at the point I want to roll back to Windows 10, the amount of driver issues Windows 11 is causing with up to date drivers is obnoxious.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 4 of 17, by buckeye

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I don't get it, after all these years you'd figure MS would have all this down cold by now. I'm a happy camper with 10 till 2025 or however long it can be stretched out.

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Reply 5 of 17, by Namrok

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Even Windows 10 had it's share of bad, buggy or downright broken updates. Seems Windows 11 is even worse in this regard.

I simply do not remember bad windows updates even being a thing before Windows 10. There were pretty consistent improvements in stability from Win95 to Windows XP, it more or less plateaued through Windows 7, and seems to be falling off a cliff now.

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Reply 6 of 17, by gaffa2002

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Was using Windows 10 until last week, then some blue screens started to show up (the error code being different each time).
Used their own memory diagnostic program and it accused my hardware for being bad. Then I used memtest86 and after running it overnight the result was that my memory was fine.
Not sure what caused that, probably update or messed driver, but everything was solved after a fresh install (even MS diagnostics program says everything is ok now), I used Windows 11 for the fresh install and it's running OK. Guess the problem is not Windows 11 per se, but having to install update after update which eventually break things up.
OSes are treated as a service nowadays and Win 10 will not receive the same care as Win 11, meaning the chance of updates breaking Win10 becoming more and more likely as MS surely will not test it with the same care they do for Win 11 (which is already not that much to begin with).

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Reply 7 of 17, by retrogamerguy1997

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Windows 11 honestly has nothing to offer for me. On my daily driver I have a dual-boot of Windows 10 and Debian and see no reason to bother with Windows 11 at all. I'm just holding out till l2025 and hoping that some games I need windows for or certain mod tools become compatible with Linux/Proton.

I did try out Windows 11 when it was still brand new but it was such a downgrade and I basically "hacked it" to basically have the Windows 10 taskbar and explorer (but still having openshell for the start menu)

Reply 8 of 17, by ptr1ck

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11 has been flawless on my personal machine and workstation. My laptop has been another story, but I think Lenovo screwed it up with a bad BIOS update.

I will say that the only way I can tolerate 11 over 10 is using the Explorer Patcher taskbar and start menu.

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Reply 9 of 17, by STX

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Namrok wrote on 2022-09-23, 13:19:

...I simply do not remember bad windows updates even being a thing before Windows 10....

Problems with official Windows updates are not new phenomena, e.g.
https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/post-sp3-pa … windows-update/.

Reply 10 of 17, by TrashPanda

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ptr1ck wrote on 2022-09-23, 15:37:

11 has been flawless on my personal machine and workstation. My laptop has been another story, but I think Lenovo screwed it up with a bad BIOS update.

I will say that the only way I can tolerate 11 over 10 is using the Explorer Patcher taskbar and start menu.

11 was great until 22H2 . .whatever they did that update has been the bane of my PC, more often than not its windows being overzealous with how tightly its controlling memory handling which is causing a lot of driver issues.

Perhaps they changed how windows 11 handles memory security in 22H2 but forgot to pass the message on to driver devs, even the latest nVidia drivers fall afoul of this, got a new set of intel updates for networking last night so hopefully the green stop screens resolve themselves.

If they continue Ill simply nuke and pave and see if a fresh install helps.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 13 of 17, by BEEN_Nath_58

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-09-24, 09:43:
11 was great until 22H2 . .whatever they did that update has been the bane of my PC, more often than not its windows being overz […]
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ptr1ck wrote on 2022-09-23, 15:37:

11 has been flawless on my personal machine and workstation. My laptop has been another story, but I think Lenovo screwed it up with a bad BIOS update.

I will say that the only way I can tolerate 11 over 10 is using the Explorer Patcher taskbar and start menu.

11 was great until 22H2 . .whatever they did that update has been the bane of my PC, more often than not its windows being overzealous with how tightly its controlling memory handling which is causing a lot of driver issues.

Perhaps they changed how windows 11 handles memory security in 22H2 but forgot to pass the message on to driver devs, even the latest nVidia drivers fall afoul of this, got a new set of intel updates for networking last night so hopefully the green stop screens resolve themselves.

If they continue Ill simply nuke and pave and see if a fresh install helps.

I had to reinstall Windows 11 21H2 (and I put 22H2) because it wouldn't run DOSBox from any media (USB, HDD, OS SSD) having a folder named "Program Files nnn", where nnn is any or no text. Plus it wouldn't run MSI Afterburner because it apparently couldn't find somd d3dx11_....dll file and also it freaked out on opening PDFs 😵

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