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Reply 720 of 767, by PhilsComputerLab

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64 bit interfaces are a real pain on some of these cards. Makes a huge difference indeed.

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Reply 721 of 767, by Carlos S. M.

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PhilsComputerLab wrote:

64 bit interfaces are a real pain on some of these cards. Makes a huge difference indeed.

Yeah, this is why avoid 64 bit cards at some point

I belive my dual socket 370 Tualatin can take faster cards and this is why i'm considering the FX 5500 PCI 128 bit, my board came from an old IBM xSeries 220 and it's onboard video is really weak, an S3 Savage 4 Pro with a 16-32 bit memory bus, so a PCI card is really needed

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Reply 722 of 767, by elianda

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From my experience most DirectX8 games run on the K6-2+ / K6-III[+] barely.
Is there really a huge benefit when deciding between e.g. Geforce4 MX440 / Radeon 9250 / GeforceFX 5200 / GeforceFX 5500 as PCI cards?

The cards in a Dual Tualatin is a different story as such system is several times faster than a K6-III+. And you can use PCI-X graphics cards...

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Reply 723 of 767, by PhilsComputerLab

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I doubt it matters much which PCI card, out of the ones you listed, you use. I went with the FX 5500 because it's available easily and quite cheap and currently my only PCI card of that calibre. The FX 5500 has 128 bit interface, so that helps with AA and AF I guess. That might be another reason to pick it over other cards.

The only other PCI card I have is a TNT2 M64, but that one is much slower.

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Reply 724 of 767, by agent_x007

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Phil, try to get a 6200 PCI (most likely 64-bit version), and compare it in old games to FX 5500 PCI.
As you mentioned in video, FX series has legacy support for some functions wile 6000 series doesn't. Checking what exactly is best (from Performance/Compatibility standpoint), would make a great video.

Here is a short comparison of my GF FX 5500 PCI (128-bit) and GF 6200 PCI (64-bit) cards :

3DMark 01 SE :
FX 5500 - 6298 pkt.
GF 6200 - 8046 pkt.

Quake III Arena :
FX 5500 - 65,7 FPS
GF 6200 - 57,4 FPS

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Reply 725 of 767, by PhilsComputerLab

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Couldn't come up with a decent title. Testing the K6-III+ with different amounts of RAM and Windows versions (98, ME, 2K and XP) as well as nGlide: https://youtu.be/Jj1cVuPbW4E

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Reply 730 of 767, by Tetrium

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PhilsComputerLab wrote:

Celeron 1000 and 1100 Retro Gaming Review: https://youtu.be/4R-IOTumbVQ

Watched this a couple days ago. I'm liking how you keep putting the "forgotten" and unpopular stuff to the test 😀

I used my Celeron rigs with lots of pleasure, both my Celeron 400 (s370, not Slot 1 though) and Celeron 800 rigs were nice rigs to work with 😀

I always had the feeling the Celeron 800 was more similar to a Coppermine 566 or Coppermine 600 or so though, it was definitely slower in SuperPi (though I know perfectly well that isn't everything).

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Reply 731 of 767, by gdjacobs

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Just watched the Athlon PSU video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efK7mw8eYiE

ATX power supplies have a few metrics that they must hold to in order to pass at a given power level:
*Voltage regulation - Does the PSU supply 3.3/5/12V when loaded?
*Voltage ripple - Does noise on the outputs increase with load?
*Transient response - Does the output voltage smoothly increase on power up in a loaded condition without overshoot? When load changes, does the PSU smoothly and quickly adjust without overshoot?

Power supplies do have a PWR_OK pin which ATX motherboards check before proceeding with post. All but the nastiest power supplies have some combination of thermal, current, and voltage monitoring which can be used to signal this pin, but it's unfortunately a common practice for manufacturers to strap the PWR_OK pin to 5V resulting in an undeservedly tolerant setup by eliminating this protective feature.

To sum up, just because a PSU can power on your system, it doesn't mean it's a good idea

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Reply 733 of 767, by M-HT

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I just watched the "486 from 75 MHz to 160 MHz and how memory timings matter" video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlQXS1VrFUQ

I noticed a small error - in the last result you enabled external cache and said that it only increased the speed from 53fps to 56.2fps. In the graphs you wrote that the 56.2fps is the result for "50x3 256KB L2" and 53fps is the result for "40x4=160MHz". Either you have mislabeled graph or you're comparing the speed with/without enabled cache at different speeds (150/160MHz).

Reply 734 of 767, by gdjacobs

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Just watched the fast 486 video as well. Any comments on typical behaviors of turbo/deturbo on these boards and how well they can plug gaps in the performance envelope with cache/FSB/WS manipulation?

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Reply 735 of 767, by Imperious

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I assume that by now everyone here realises that Phil isn't on Vogons anymore?

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Reply 736 of 767, by clueless1

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He may not post on here, but his presence is still here. People still reference him every day, link to his site and videos, and post to topics he started. So in a way, he IS still on Vogons.

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Reply 738 of 767, by Imperious

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appiah4 wrote:

Nah, he's too good for us now.

I can't speak for Phil obviously, but I certainly don't think it's got anything to do with being too good for Vogons.
It's likely more to do with what us Aussies call "Tall poppy syndrome" in that some people were trying to unnecessarily disagree a lot
over some of His posts, he'd had enough so left. Simple as that.

Sometimes when someone is a bit successful, others want to wreck it for them.

He's got a Facebook retro pc channel now.

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Reply 739 of 767, by clueless1

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Imperious wrote:

It's likely more to do with what us Aussies call "Tall poppy syndrome" in that some people were trying to unnecessarily disagree a lot

This. One of his last posts, I remember he posted some video card benchmarks. If you or I would've posted the same, it would have generated positive feedback. But one or two people saw fit to aggressively criticize his methodologies with a zeal that was completely unnecessary. I think that's when he stopped posting here, and I don't blame him. It's too bad, as I get the impression this was a place where he felt like just another one of the guys. If anything, rather than being "too good" for us, he was pushed away because others were placing him up on a pedestal when he just wanted to hang out and shoot the retro shit with like-minded pals.

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