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Re: My Tulip Vision Line DC 486dx TC38 Restoration Quest [Update 3]

Postby Liveandlearn » 2018-7-14 @ 23:03

lihinian wrote:
I have a a couple of Tulip disks yes
I will make some img files from the tulip disks.
There dutch so might be dutch language which isn't strange since Tulip was a dutch company :lol:


Very nice! please do, I won't mind the dutch because I speak dutch :cool:
See my main update post about the battery, allthough I'm still unsure about the "battery on a chip" being a real configuration on this board. See https://stason.org/TULARC/pc/motherboar ... -TC38.html.


Well this system was my brothers and I had the exacte same one. Only difference I had a 540mb hard drive. We never had to change any bios settings. So you can program a flash rom with the diskettes or the main board had some sort of storage way like battery on chip. I have seen more people struggling on YouTube wiyh sff pc's with no interchangable battery. Like I said turning the system off now means next boot enter bios settings again. But after working on the system for a whole day it kept the bios settings a couple a seconds.


I saw that webpage already and it was the first time jumper 14 was explained. I think non rechargable means 3xAA battery pack / 4.5v wich don't need changing. Btw my cr2032 buyton cell battery on other systems last like 10-20 years so a 3x penlite battery pack will suffice.

Oh btw im dutch to :P
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Re: Tulip Vision Line DC 486dx TC38 Restoration [Update 4] Surprise & Benchmarks!

Postby Liveandlearn » 2018-7-16 @ 22:27

V1.04 Ok this image was made on a 1.44 diskette.
i used vpc to copy it from image to a diskette using the diskcopy command in dos.

Good luck

Btw if it doesnt run from boot you can run the file DIAGNOSE.EXE
that should do the same


and v2.05 in on a 720k Diskette

not sure which of the 2 I used on my system.




Addition to update 4
how the hell did you get such poor amounts of memory,
can you share you config.sys and autoexec,bat ?

btw I always manually tune my memory manually. Takes a little time but much better
at least run a multiboot and use emm386.sys and himem.sys.
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Re: Tulip Vision Line DC 486dx TC38 Restoration [Update 4] Surprise & Benchmarks!

Postby tabm0de » 2018-7-17 @ 20:35

Diagnostic and other download can be found at http://tulipgv.nl/download.html also. Just
For info
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Re: Tulip Vision Line DC 486dx TC38 Restoration [Update 4] Surprise & Benchmarks!

Postby lihinian » 2018-7-18 @ 00:25

Thanks for the img files and links to more tulip downloads. Haven't looked around closely at that site enough I guess :)

About the memory, I used the ms-dos starting pack by phil, and modified it a little bit. Suggestions for tweaks are very welcome, have you installed keen4 on your system?
I spend quite some time trying out different settings. Best results I got was with qemm, without loading dos into upper memory.
Btw, the qemm stealthing setting gave more memory but messed up music, songs would stop or give hanging notes.
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Re: Tulip Vision Line DC 486dx TC38 Restoration [Update 4] Surprise & Benchmarks!

Postby tabm0de » 2018-7-19 @ 12:23

Sadly after my project i put the computer in storage, now days i only use my compaq persario 433 aio/pentium 166 tower.

Nice that you found a matching screen for the computer :)

Another fun thing todo would be to add scsi cdrom :) i would have done it if my compaq wasnt the main retro pc now ( well i did it to my compaq since it doesnt have cd also ;) )
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Re: Tulip Vision Line DC 486dx TC38 Restoration [Update 4] Surprise & Benchmarks!

Postby Liveandlearn » 2018-7-20 @ 09:03

lihinian wrote:Thanks for the img files and links to more tulip downloads. Haven't looked around closely at that site enough I guess :)

About the memory, I used the ms-dos starting pack by phil, and modified it a little bit. Suggestions for tweaks are very welcome, have you installed keen4 on your system?
I spend quite some time trying out different settings. Best results I got was with qemm, without loading dos into upper memory.
Btw, the qemm stealthing setting gave more memory but messed up music, songs would stop or give hanging notes.
CONFIG.TXT

AUTOEXEC.TXT

To use upper memory block you try to use the biggest thing first and then put in a smaller item etc. So:

First tip dont put anything in common in the config.sys boot menu. Tedious maybe but those are all small things that need memory. Put them in every separate menu item last.

Second i only see the emm386 used once with ram option. I use emm386 if different manners in all options and I use the monochome memory part which is reserved for the bios but not used.
Second to manually edit I suggest som longer names for when you edit much easier toward the future especially when you work on the autoexec file.
Then some games don't use soundblaster. Is have an option to boot without sb. And I have lan so bootoptions for that to.
Last soundblaster isn't loaded high which you easily can. Only point where i can't is when i load lan drivers in dos. There quite big unfortumate

I'll post my boot files in a moment. Need to boot up a pc with a cf reader.
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Re: Tulip Vision Line DC 486dx TC38 Restoration [Update 4] Surprise & Benchmarks!

Postby lihinian » 2018-7-21 @ 18:11

Thanks for the great suggestions, tried to implement as many as I could in my new configuration.

I now utilize the monochrome memory part in my main boot configurations. That in combination with DosMax made quite a big difference.
What I couldn't figure out is how to load my sound blaster driver in high memory.
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Re: Tulip Vision Line DC 486dx TC38 Restoration [Update 5] Finished

Postby Liveandlearn » 2018-7-31 @ 20:12

For every item in config.sys you put devicehigh on front of it. And autoexec you put LH in front of it.
I use REM a lot to write some info.

This is my memory
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My tulip only has a soundblaster and a network card but the latter of the two isn't tested yet.

This is the autoexec.bat and config.sys. Stil finetuning since I first start to make the heaviest menu item first. Booting without sb for example just creates more memory so there isn't much reason to finetune the lesser items
I put the audio in an external file since for me its always the same
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As you can see a mess still finetuning.

I started with the files from another dos/win311 machine of mine.
This is my menu from the other pc
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AUTOEXEC
(As you can see I made loads of notes because in 6 months I will have forgotten which thing does what. For example how the prompt is changed)
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CONFIG
Same here for more emm386 options some explanations.
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MEMORY LAYOUT FROM OPTION 5 IN THE MENU
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As you can see below the common items in your menu use memory to.


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Lastly is use mem in 3 manners

Mem /d /p for diagnose to see where which item resides in the memory.
Mem /c /p to quickly see all items in memory
And
Mem /f or /h
I forgot but it shows the amount of upper memory.


What I do is run nothing high then reboot.

Run mem /c and note all the items that i have loaded and the amount of memory used.

Start with config.sys

Then I load high biggest item first. Reboot check memory. Then second biggest and so forth.

After that same with autoexec.bat.

Right now the tulip has 668 under 1m which is plenty.

My other dos pc with the matrix prompt has enough aswell. But it really drops a lot running de network drivers otherwise im always above 640k. Which lets me run almost anything.

I have a few games which ask EMS memory so I have a specific option for that.


Last thing I love playing around with different prompts amd love to use the 50 lines screen so there is more info on it.
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Re: Tulip Vision Line DC 486dx TC38 Restoration [Update 5] Finished

Postby Liveandlearn » 2018-7-31 @ 20:31

For everyone, any tips are welcome I'm quite new in memory management under dos.

And I prefer dos 6.22 out of nostalgia reasons. Same for using the cdrom and mouse drivers of that time. I could save memory with another dos version, and more modern and smaller cd rom and mouse drivers
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