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First post, by senrew

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From reading through the board, it seems like there is some kind of concensus as to what parts work best for what uses. Of course there is some wiggle room for personal preference.

I was wondering if maybe we could put together a guide for what parts/specs should go together for certain specific uses, at least as a base recommendation. ie: Early/Late Sierra games, early DOS compatibility, all arounders for flight sims, maxxed out early 3D DOS games, Early windows games, etc... Basically making a guide for the most popular categories that people build rigs for, and putting together a list of recommended hardware.

I know this is really nothing more than min/max'ing hardware, but at least for new comers to the hobby, I think it would cut out some of the guess work and intimidation to the huge world of old hardware.

I, myself, am old enough to remember playing in this era, but I know of some youngins who just get turned off by the idea of jumpers and command lines but love hardware and at least the concept that old games can be fun. It'd be nice to be able to point them to a list and say "Start here, this will do you well until you figure out what you like".

So, is such a list doable?

Reply 1 of 9, by valnar

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I believe the best starting point is to just go through this very forum and look at the PC's people have built. They usually include their notes in the thread as to what it was built for.

For the oldest of games (286,386+) that are speed sensitive I highly recommend you run DOSBox on a modern PC instead. In many ways, it's even more compatible than the original hardware back then (no memory management issues, better sound quality, etc.) Also, parts are harder to come by as most places have disposed of those vintage computers years ago. That being said, if you are patient enough, they come up on eBay now and then.

For a mid 90's Pentium II/III computer, that's a little easier. These would run all the later DOS games and Win 9x games with ease. I recommend 440BX chipset boards, as these still give you the treasured ISA slots. The ASUS P2B series are very popular and readily available on eBay.

Here are mine: Pair of Retro PC's

Reply 2 of 9, by Amigaz

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I woulds build two rigs with the following specs from my own experiences with games from the late 80's up to circa 1997-98

For late 80's games up to 1993-94 I would build a 386DX 33-40mhz machine with 8-16mb ram, Sound Blaster Pro or compatible card, a GM midi device and a Roland LA synth of some sort

With this system in non turbo mode you can run alot of early DOS titles and have enough horse power for later games.
Wing Commander 1 & 2 will run perfect on this system which might run too fast even on slow 486 systems.

For later DOS games and early Windows games I would build a Socket 7 rig with a Pentium 200-233mhz MMX cpu and 128-256mb RAM, a fast 2D PCI gfx card, a Voodoo 2 or dual Voodoo 2's for GLide game support, a Soundblaster 16, a GM Midi device and a Gravis Ultrasound soundcard.

With this system you can run most titles after 1994-95 with some horsepower in reserve...games like Wing Commander 3 might still cause problems with this "fast CPU", it even complains and might not install properly if your cd-rom is too "fast"
Wing Commander Privateer might have some glitches with this CPU rating also like sound problems

My retro computer stuff: https://lychee.jjserver.net/#16136303902327

Reply 3 of 9, by senrew

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Is there anything specific I should be looking for in an ISA video card for the 386? Or should I just be looking for something fast and compatible? Any recommendations, or does it matter?

Reply 5 of 9, by senrew

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So, I looked up the et4000s. Is there a specific version fo that chipset I should look for? Is the w32i the one I should be looking for on a card?

Reply 6 of 9, by 5u3

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Cirrus Logic GD542x ISA cards also are fast, compatible, cheap and easy to obtain. Just stay away from the infamous Trident and OAK cards.

senrew wrote:

So, I looked up the et4000s. Is there a specific version fo that chipset I should look for? Is the w32i the one I should be looking for on a card?

The more advanced chipsets (w32p, w32i) have some advantages like support for bigger RAM size, faster RAM access and 2D acceleration, but these only matter if you want to run a GUI (Windows, X11). For DOS games on a 386, the basic ET4000AX is good enough.

Reply 7 of 9, by fillosaurus

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I find 256 Mb RAM (and even 128) overkill for a 200-233 CPU. The benefits of that size is that you can run comfortably Win98SE or Win2000. But if it's a system built for early 3D games the best suited is Win95 OSR 2.1 (USB support, works great on 32 Mb and upwards).
I did some tests (Unreal, HalfLife and SiN) on a system of mine, P/233 then K6/200, 64 and 96 Mb SDRAM, with a speedy Matrox Millenium and a Voodoo2....
I had excellent performance in HL and SiN. For Unreal the CPU speed matters too; I recommend at least a P II/K6 at 300 to fully enjoy that superb game at Voodoo2 resolutions. Have to try it with a SLI configuration too.
For older games that do not run properly on a Pentium, I use a 486DX/33, 8 Mb RAM, several VLB video cards (S3 928, Cirrus Logic 5428 or Tseng ET4000 W32). I have only 2 functional ISA videocards, but this is not an issue for me, since all my 486 boards have PCI or VLB.

Y2K box: AMD Athlon K75 (second generation slot A)@700, ASUS K7M motherboard, 256 MB SDRAM, ATI Radeon 7500+2xVoodoo2 in SLI, SB Live! 5.1, VIA USB 2.0 PCI card, 40 GB Seagate HDD.
WIP: external midi module based on NEC wavetable (Yamaha clone)

Reply 8 of 9, by valnar

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fillosaurus wrote:

For older games that do not run properly on a Pentium, I use a 486DX/33, 8 Mb RAM, several VLB video cards (S3 928, Cirrus Logic 5428 or Tseng ET4000 W32). I have only 2 functional ISA videocards, but this is not an issue for me, since all my 486 boards have PCI or VLB.

Thread hijack/
For my own curiosity, do you have any games that requires the specific speed of a 386/486 which *won't* run in DOSBox? The oldest PC I still have left is a P166 (a Dolch PAC 62 luggable), and I have no desire to build older. I use DOSBox mostly now.

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Reply 9 of 9, by senrew

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Aside from the desire to play games on the original hardware, I have no reason to shun dosbox. However, the couple of games I can think of that absolutely require the original hardware are falcon 3.0 and wing commander I