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First post, by Skyscraper

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The Leviathan build is progressing slowly while I wait for a new CPU and some other stuff.
While I wait I thought that I might aswell rebuild one of my old slot-1 boxes I recently found in a shed at my parents place.

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CPU: Celeron 500 ppga on a slotket
Motherboard: PC-Chips M726
Memory: When I found it: none. Now: 256mb sdram
GPU: When I found it: Riva TNT2 m64. Now: Gforce4 mx440se
Soundcard: Creative Soundblaster 32 (CT3670)
CD-rom: Teac 6X
Floppy: Mitsumi 1.44
HDD: When I found it: Fujitsu MPB3043AT 3.4gb. Now: Maxtor 740X 20gb
Case: Minitower with 200w psu.

The motherboard, probably the cheapest Slot-1 board ever made.
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The CPU on a Asus slotket. Notice the rust on the screws
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The memory module
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The Soundcard
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The videocard that got thrown out since some driver bug made 3dmark99 hang when it had finished all tests.
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The new videocard
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The hardware mounted in the case
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Same as above
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The Power Supply. Pro stands for professional *insert retarded demotivator here*
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The CD-rom. It used to be rust on it 😀
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More rust and insect doo doo
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Rust and a pube from my youth?
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Case closed!
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Complete system
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Can it play Cry... GLQuake YES and somehow I think Vsync is working
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SuperPi 1M. Not very fast
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PCMark 2002
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SiSoft Sandra 99
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3dMark99 Max
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I also ran these benchmarks on a few other CPUs
pII-300, pII-350, pII-400, pII-450, PIII-450 and a Celeron 333
In the end I decided to stick with the Celeron 500 altough both the pII-450 and the pIII-450 were faster.
I have two pIII-450 but they will be needed for a future project and the pII-450 will find a home on my QDI BX-board
I also tried a Katmai pIII-600 but it would not even post. The Katmai 600 will be used in my Abit BH6 build that will keep me buisy until more stuff for the Leviathan arrive.

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Last edited by Skyscraper on 2013-10-15, 19:02. Edited 1 time in total.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 1 of 11, by keropi

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awesome! I like the idea of a baby-AT slot1 build... and the pic descriptions are priceless 😁 🤣

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Reply 2 of 11, by GeorgeMan

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Very nice and neat build! I don't like the fact that the slotket with the CPU is hanging there for the long term!

My retro PC consists also from a babyAT slot1 mobo and a PIII 750. It works with any Coppermine CPU with multi up to 8x, just like my microATX 440BX mobo. If I install any CPU with multi 8.5x and up, it refuses to boot. I think the PIII-800 is the best cpu that one can have in an AT case & mobo. (I have seen a s478 AT mobo, but I guess is extremely difficult to obtain!)
Too bad that yours doesn't accept newer CPUs.

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Reply 3 of 11, by Skyscraper

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I think it would accept newer CPUs since the Katmai 450 works, just not the Katmai 600 for some strange reason.
I think it needs to much current at its default voltage of 2.05v, I bet that it would post if I did a tape mod for 2.2 or 2.3v
But things are a little murky.

The sticker on the board indicates that the board is a PC-Chips M747
The thing is that those boards dosnt even have an AGP-slot and uses another chipset so it clearly isnt.
I remember that the manual I got with the board was for a board with integrated video. I had to read the jumper setting on the board since those listed in the manual was wrong. 😁
The board is identical to PC-Chips M726 and I think it is PC-Chips verson of it, not one of the rebranded boards like Amtron.
The really strange thing is that the M726 revisions are called 1.2A, 1.2B and 1.2C or something like that. My board is revison 3.4.
The BIOS flash tool that comes with the BIOS diddnt work so I had to use uniflash to update the bios.
I read a post on another forum witten by another person with a M726 also with the nonexistent revison 3.4, he also had to use uniflash.

Best of all, with the new bios all cpus get identified as 66mhz fsb cpus like p3-300 450mhz

This one is also pretty nice although I dont think any board can correctly identify an unlocked p2. It works at 2x multi aswell and gets identified as a p2-133 😀
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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 4 of 11, by Half-Saint

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I have a board very similar to yours, uses the same chipset but the ATX power connector is on the right side of the CPU slot. Will see, if I can get it out of the case tomorrow and take a photo.

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Reply 5 of 11, by Skyscraper

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I dont think this computer will get used much.
It works well but the Abit BH6 build is faster and have USB 😀
I really need to find the ATX form factor card for this board.
But its good to have a few computers in reserve.

Here are some more benchmark pics, this time with the P3 450.

SuperPi 1m
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PC Mark 2002
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Sisoft Sandra 99
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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 6 of 11, by dr.zeissler

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interesting!

does this board work with a coppermine cpu?

Celeron 500 FSB66 Multi 7.5 2,0 Volt 27,0 Watt (Mendocino)
Celeron 533 FSB66 Multi 8.0 1,5 Volt 11,2 Watt (Coppermine)

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Reply 7 of 11, by Skyscraper

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I have not tried any Coppermine CPUs with this motherboard yet.
I do not think the Mendocino Celerons power usage is a big deal but I will update this thread if I switch the CPU for a Coppermine in the future.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 8 of 11, by FaSMaN

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Ive got the same bxcell board in mine :3 not a bad board at all.

PS if you do some digging you can find the pinouts for the atx breakout board and add PS2 and usb 1.1 output 😀

Reply 9 of 11, by Skyscraper

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FaSMaN wrote:

Ive got the same bxcell board in mine :3 not a bad board at all.

PS if you do some digging you can find the pinouts for the atx breakout board and add PS2 and usb 1.1 output 😀

I will probably do that some time in the future.

The chipsets real name is ALi M1621, also called "Alladin Pro II"
PC Chips likes to confuse us with made up chipset names 😀

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 10 of 11, by chinny22

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This is what I call Ugly Duckling builds. None of the parts are desired or popular but still make a decent PC in the end. You even have rust, doo-doo and a pube to um enhance? that affect.
Good to see the parts able to live again!