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Intel PR440FX Dual Pentium Pro 200

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First post, by Skyscraper

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I have some pictures of my Pentium Pro box that I have not posted so I thought that I might aswell make a new thread for this system.
I have not used windows NT4 for ages so its time to revisit this OS to see if it is as good as I remember.

The Intel PR440FX motherboard is a dumpster find. I found it with only one CPU and no memory but I got the other CPU and a voltage module from another dumpster find.
The case is also from the same dumpster but it had an Athlon XP system in it when I found it.
Its possible that the motherboard and the case once belonged together due to the fact that I found the motherboard a few years before the case.

The only thing I had to buy for this system was the memory module since I diddnt have any 144 pin 50ns registered EDO.
The system could use more memory but the 128mb modules I found were ~$8 each and I diddnt even know if the board would work. Im sure that I will run into more memory sooner or later.

Spec

Motherboard: Intel PR440FX
CPUs: 2x Pentium Pro 256kb
Memory: 128mb 144pin registered EDO 50ns
GPU: S3 Virge 2mb
HDD: IDE Maxtor DiamondMax VL 30 5400rpm 30gb
PSU: Chieftec 340w
OS: Windows NT4

I put the board on my test bench, installed the memory module and hit the switch
It posted at once. It even remembered the correct time and date!

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Then I installed the other CPU.
Once again the board posted without trouble.

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When I installed NT4 I experienced some instability but the issue was heat releted and soon fixed.
Details about this issue can be found in another thread but to sum it up Pentium Pro CPUs are not always flat.

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Succsess!

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Time to mount the system in its case.
This picture shows the hdd, gpu and psu.

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A close up of the PSU. It has plenty of power where it counts.

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The system in its case
I installed an extra fan over the Voltage regulator because I will run the system @ 210 mhz or perhaps 240 mhz .

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This is how the partitions must be configured.
The first partition must be FAT16.
The second partition can not be larger than 2gb if you dont prepare it before installation and it must fully reside in the first 8gb of the disk so that also limits its size.
The third partition can be any size.

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Woot? Working USB!

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The final result. At least it stacks well.

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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 3 of 21, by Skyscraper

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luckybob wrote:

oh lord... that gold metal case. I LOVE IT!

Yea its a really nice case 😀 I should use a matching PSU. Im sure I have a gold one somewere.

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Nice dumpster find!

What do you plan to do with it?

I have no idea what a windows NT box could be used for today

But its fun to play with just to remember how some things were much better in earlier Windows versions
Other things were much worse.

One example of better. You can pretty much change drive letters how ever you want once NT4 is installed and Windows will still work.
One exaple of worse. No native USB support and once I installed the survailance camera driver package!? that enables USB support I cant change drive letters without USB failing.
Naturally I installed the "usb driver" before I decided to change the Windows partition drive letter from D to C, the other ntfs partition from E to D and remove the FAT 16 partition drive letter all together.
Reinstalling the drivers did not help but changing all drive letters back to how they were when the driver first was installed restored USB functionality.
I find the driver management somewhat lacking.

It can play mp2/3 and it can decode mpeg1 so perhaps I could watch video cds 😀

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 4 of 21, by idspispopd

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I suppose if you want to use it for gaming you could go for early OpenGL (glQuake/Quake II). You could use a Voodoo 1/2 or a Riva 128 for that. The second CPU probably won't help for that, though.
Windows 2000 might also be an option.
I suppose I wouldn't overclock the box, if you want more performance you can just use a PII.

Reply 5 of 21, by Skyscraper

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Its time for a update and upgrade!

I have decided to upgrade this system with my "new" 512KB cache Pentium Pro CPUs. I will also add 384 MB more memory, change the video card from a S3 Virge to a Matrox Mystique with the Rainbow Runner addon and upgrade the PSU to this Tagan 380W unit.

Here is a picture showing the "new" hardware. I will update with some performance numbers later if everthing works out as I planned.

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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 6 of 21, by Skyscraper

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The upgrading did work out great when it comes to the CPUs and OKish when it comes to the memory, I ended up using 128 + 128 + 64 MB ECC REG EDO. The CPUs seem to be 100% stable at 245 MHz and the performance is now good enough to decode "dvd quality" Xvid without dropping frames, this was not even close to possible with two 256KB CPUs @210 MHz.

As you can see from the pictures this system dosnt have an optical drive so all file transfers to this (offline) system were done with an USB stick. The upgrades broke the USB functionality. The last time USB failed was when I changed drive letters, the only way to get USB working again was to restore the drive letters as they were when I first installed the USB drivers. This time restoring the system to the state it was isnt an option as I want to keep the upgrades so I guess I will have to do a full reinstall. Windows NT 4 can be a bit annoying at times.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 8 of 21, by Skyscraper

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You're making me want to try OCing my PPros now 😀

And I absolutely love that rackmount case.

The 256KB Cache CPUs are perhaps a bit harder to overclock than the 512KB cache ones as the latter uses cache made with a smaller manufacturing process. My 4 256KB cache Pentium Pro CPUs seem to be stable @ at least 233 MHz with good heat sinks, I have not tried 245 MHz with any of the 256KB cache ones.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 10 of 21, by Skyscraper

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This is so cool! It can be a multi-purpose retro system.

I think I mostly will pretend to use the system but acually not use it for anything other than testing random stuff. It runs Diablo 1 in NT 4 without issues. The system also runs Windows 2000 SP4 really well, but NT 4 is the OS it is meant to run so I will stick with that.

The final spec.

2* Pentium Pro 512Kb @ 245 Mhz
Intel PR440FX motherboard.
384 MB EDO ECC REG @ 70 MHz with 50ns timings.
Matrox Mystique 4MB with Rainbow Runner addon.
Crystal audio (on the motherboard)
40 GB Maxtor HDD
Windows NT 4 with Service Pack 6.

At the moment NT 4 is still installed on the old 30GB disk, I will use that installation to prepare the new 40GB disk and do a full reinstall... just not today.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 11 of 21, by chinny22

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I know what you mean with NT4 feeling right. My Prolent 1600, without USB also feels just right with NT4 even though it would happily run 2003.
Mine has close to 1 TB of storage and use it to backup all my old games, so not very often. I did install NT4 terminal server so I could remote into it. Not sure that was a good idea, Its the 1st time I've played with it but feels pretty buggy.

Sure they are next to useless, but they are damn cool!

Reply 13 of 21, by Skyscraper

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dirkmirk wrote:

How did you get 245mhz?

I set the FSB to 70 MHz and the multi to 3.5x

This is with Windows 2000
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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 14 of 21, by dirkmirk

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Skyscraper wrote:
dirkmirk wrote:

How did you get 245mhz?

I set the FSB to 70 MHz and the multi to 3.5x

70mhz fsb? Does it have those settings silk screened to the motherboard or did you experiment to get 70mhz? I would love to overclock my system but as far as I can tell I can only select 60 or 66mhz and the P2 Overdrives have a built in locked(I presume) 5x multiplier, love the Pentium pro systems keep up the good work!

Reply 15 of 21, by Skyscraper

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dirkmirk wrote:
Skyscraper wrote:
dirkmirk wrote:

How did you get 245mhz?

I set the FSB to 70 MHz and the multi to 3.5x

70mhz fsb? Does it have those settings silk screened to the motherboard or did you experiment to get 70mhz? I would love to overclock my system but as far as I can tell I can only select 60 or 66mhz and the P2 Overdrives have a built in locked(I presume) 5x multiplier, love the Pentium pro systems keep up the good work!

The jumper settings for 70 MHz are not silk screened but all Intel PR440FX motherboards supports it. The PR440FX also supports 60, 63 and 66 MHz.

Not many other Pentium Pro boards support FSB settings higher than 66 MHz but there is some Abit board that suppports 75 MHz FSB.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 16 of 21, by raymangold

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Skyscraper wrote:
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Its time for a update and upgrade!

I have decided to upgrade this system with my "new" 512KB cache Pentium Pro CPUs. I will also add 384 MB more memory, change the video card from a S3 Virge to a Matrox Mystique with the Rainbow Runner addon and upgrade the PSU to this Tagan 380W unit.

Here is a picture showing the "new" hardware. I will update with some performance numbers later if everthing works out as I planned.

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Where did you find the rainbow runner add-on if you don't mind me asking? They're not terribly common and most probably opt for the memory expansion instead.

You should see if the board takes 256 EDO DIMMs (1 GB of EDO memory would be quite awesome: most people would be floored that such a thing exists).

Reply 17 of 21, by Skyscraper

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raymangold wrote:
Skyscraper wrote:

Its time for a update and upgrade!

I have decided to upgrade this system with my "new" 512KB cache Pentium Pro CPUs. I will also add 384 MB more memory, change the video card from a S3 Virge to a Matrox Mystique with the Rainbow Runner addon and upgrade the PSU to this Tagan 380W unit.

Here is a picture showing the "new" hardware. I will update with some performance numbers later if everthing works out as I planned.

Where did you find the rainbow runner add-on if you don't mind me asking? They're not terribly common and most probably opt for the memory expansion instead.

You should see if the board takes 256 EDO DIMMs (1 GB of EDO memory would be quite awesome: most people would be floored that such a thing exists).

The Rainbow Runner came with the Matrox Mystique from the Swedish Ebay clone Tradera (owned by Ebay), the price was low, a few euro with shipping.

The board does indeed take 256MB EDO DIMMS even if its not officially supported but 256MB EDO DIMMs just like 64MB 72pin modules and 16MB 30pin modules cost a bit too much for my taste.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 18 of 21, by Artex

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Rainbow Runner (Boxed/Sealed)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matrox-Mystique-Rainb … =item2a51cdd50a

These do come up from time to time on eBay. I picked up mine (also sealed) a while back. Sometimes you'll find them pre-attached to other Matrox cards for sale too.

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