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First post, by candle_86

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So far what I've got.

E8400 (going to downgrade to something of the 2005 vintage though
Dell XPS 630i Motherboard (650i SLI chipset, a little newish but it works well)
2x Dell 7800GTX (turns out they are normal 7800GTX's not the 512 I thought they where)
750W Dell PSU
500gb Seagate 7200.10 IDE
IDE>SATA adapter for hard drive
DVD-Ram Drive
DVD+RW drive
Windows XP Pro

needs a real case

Reply 1 of 9, by kanecvr

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I've got a similar build going 😁

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- Intel Q6600 or Core 2 Duo E6550 or Pentium Dual Core E6600 (depending on what I feel like using) cooled by a Tuniq Tower 120
- Zotac nForce 780i SLi
- 4GB Corsair Dominator DDR2 1066 CL5
- 2x XFX 7950GT Extreme Silent 512MB (these bad boys boh clock up to 640MHz w/o problems
- 250GB SATA WD Caviar Blue
- Creative X-Fi Extreme Music
- Seventeam 1000W server PSU
- Antec P182 Special Edition (got to get this polished)

It's dual-booting XP SP3 x86 (detects only 2.5gb of ram) and windows 8.1 x64. Currently playing Call of Duty 2 on it

Reply 2 of 9, by matze79

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Here is how you get access to up to 64Gb Ram on XP:
http://www.overclock.net/t/77229/windows-xp-r … 0#post_21874216

Only useful if you have modern drivers, if you use very old drivers you will get crashes.
Eg. old Graphics Cards.
But your stuff seems new enough 😀

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Reply 3 of 9, by PCBONEZ

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matze79 wrote:
Here is how you get access to up to 64Gb Ram on XP: http://www.overclock.net/t/77229/windows-xp-r … 0#post_21874216 […]
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Here is how you get access to up to 64Gb Ram on XP:
http://www.overclock.net/t/77229/windows-xp-r … 0#post_21874216

Only useful if you have modern drivers, if you use very old drivers you will get crashes.
Eg. old Graphics Cards.
But your stuff seems new enough 😀

Yeah.....
If you read the whole thread it doesn't really work.
And if you read here in same thread where someone did benchmarks it slows things down as much as 70%.
http://www.overclock.net/t/77229/windows-xp-r … 0#post_22117220
And here where he says it corrupts data and files.
http://www.overclock.net/t/77229/windows-xp-r … 0#post_22383054
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If you want to use more than 4Gb (3.5Gb-whatever) the best thing to do and the only thing that really works is to get a 64-bit OS.
If you are stuck with 32-bit and you have surplus RAM then set up a RAM-Drive.
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Reply 4 of 9, by mockingbird

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Don't be too quick to discount the hack.

For one, that was only a single test... Maybe it had something to do with the Inte graphics drivers. Secondly, the crashes weren't reported to be widespread. It could, once again be related to a single driver.

It merits more investigation. If I could get it working right, I might be tempted to dump XP x64 for it, considering that XP is still getting security updates.

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Reply 5 of 9, by alexanrs

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Despite being able to recognize more RAM through PAE, single 32-bit processes are still limited to 2GB (I believe there is a setting that can bump this to 3GB, but I don't know if it has any compatibility issues), so this might not be that useful and not worth the headache for a gaming machine.

Reply 6 of 9, by mockingbird

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alexanrs wrote:

Despite being able to recognize more RAM through PAE, single 32-bit processes are still limited to 2GB (I believe there is a setting that can bump this to 3GB, but I don't know if it has any compatibility issues), so this might not be that useful and not worth the headache for a gaming machine.

You're saying I can't get 32-Bit Firefox to use more than 2GB of ram on an x64 system?

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Reply 7 of 9, by PCBONEZ

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mockingbird wrote:

Don't be too quick to discount the hack.

I'm not being 'quick' I'm being realistic.
XP has been out since 2001. - If there was a way to hack it for more RAM it would have been known more than a decade ago.
By the date of the last post in that thread it's self evident that the project failed and died last December.
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Reply 8 of 9, by alexanrs

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mockingbird wrote:

You're saying I can't get 32-Bit Firefox to use more than 2GB of ram on an x64 system?

Read this. Even on a x64 system 32-bit processes are limited to either 2GB UNLESS compiled with the LARGEADDRESSAWARE flag. If it has, x64 Windows versions will enable 32-bit processes to use the full 4GB address space (so they can use 4GB - whatever the system reseves of that address space). One would have to check if Firefox has that flag set. Anyway, you can't go beyond that no matter how much RAM you have. And I believe that for 32-bit Windows XP you need to specify the "/3GB" switch to allow 32-bit apps compiled with that flag (and only those) to use up to 3GB so, even with the LARGEADDRESSAWARE flag set, there is not much use for over 4GB of RAM in a 32-bit system unless you are multitasking - which IMHO isn't something a retro-gaming machine would be doing much. And even if you do multitask I doubt most XP games have the LARGEADDRESSAWARE flag set, so you need to open a lot of stuff to eat away the 2GB of RAM the game can use.