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As promised, I was able to get this put together between diaper changes, feedings, and other baby duties..

I present to you my latest build... "Always Bet On Black" (aka - the Wesley Snipes build)

For those of you that don't know, "Always Bet On Black" was a quote from a 1992 craptastic movie called Passenger 57, starring Wesley Snipes. Yes, the movie was really not good, but that point is moot. I decided to name this build because it represents the bad-assery that was... Wesley Snipes in the 90s. Before he got in trouble in 2006 for all the tax stuff, Wesley Snipes simply kicked ass no matter what movie he was in - love him or hate him. Passenger 57, Demolation Man, Blade, New Jack City, The Fan, Murder at 1600.. to name a few oldies but goodies (?). 😀

So in sticking to my black-case theme, this build is aptly named for the raw strength, brute force and over-the-top power encapsulated in it's black outer shell.
So if you think this system can't hang...then remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTDeOPFr9e4

On with the show!!

The goods...
Black Antec SLK1650B Mid-Tower
Corsair CX430 Power Supply
Asus P4C800-E Deluxe Rev. 2.0 with 1023 Final Beta Bios (2003)
Intel Pentium 4 3.4Ghz Extreme Edition Socket 478 (SL7CH) (2004)
Thermaltake Volcano 7+ CPU Cooler (2002)
Western Digital Raptor 150GB SATA (WD1500ADFD) (2006)
SATA DVD-RW
Gainward Bliss 7800GS+ Golden Sample Special Edition 512MB AGP (G71 Core) (24 pixel pipelines/8 vertex shaders vs 20/7 of late models) (2006)
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS (2003)
Scythe S-FLEX 120mm Case Fan
2 x 1GB Corsair XMS Pro Series PC3500 DIMMS with LED activity indicators
Windows XP SP3

Motherboard and CPU
For this build I chose a part list that spans a time period between 2002-2006, sticking with an AGP-based platform since I feel that PCIe is a little too "new" for my taste. I also stuck with the older socket 478 platform vs a socket 775. The SL7CH Pentium IV 3.4Ghz Extreme Edition on this platform is a complete MONSTER and the Intel 875P-based Asus P4C800-E Deluxe creates a rock-solid setup. To cool this beast down, I added a Thermaltake Volcano 7+ copper cooler and throttle the fan speed with a Zalman fan controller mounted on the inside-top of the case.

Storage
For storage I wanted to use my original 75GB Raptor which was more period correct and so awesome for the time given it's 10,000rpm rotational speed. However, I wanted to really load this up with some popular games for the time (DOOM3, Far Cry, Half Life 2, UT 2004, Chronicles of Riddick, Splinter Cell, Painkiller, etc.) so I threw in the 150GB version that is bigger and quieter. I also threw in a DVD-RW as well and skipped the floppy.

Memory
What's more awesome than PC3500-rated memory? I'll tell you - it's Corsair PC3500 Extreme Performance XMS Pro with Activity LEDS! For this build I went with 2x1GB of the stuff. I forgot how cool those little LEDs look and I remember back in the day this memory was highly sought after. Check this out!! http://1drv.ms/1Oxn1kJ 😎 It's like "KITT" from Knight Rider!!

Sound Card
Nothing less than the amazing Creative Audigy 2 Platinum ZS. Crisp, multichannel output and great compatability.

Video Card
Ahh.. the video card. This one holds a special spot in my collection. I could've really maxed out this build by throwing in an HD3850 (released later) but then I wouldn't get to fire up my beloved Gainward Bliss 7800GS+ freak of nature. Not sure how many of you know about this card, but it was released in 2006 and was not readily available in the US. Back in the day, I was looking to extend the life of my aging AGP system which was using a BFG 6800GT + Arctic Cooling NV Silencer 5 + Gainward 6800 Ultra flashed BIOS. I heard some rumblings about this card in EU, and I found a single store that was selling it - Overclockers UK. I purchased it July 12th 2006, and paid 234 British Pounds (NOT Including Shipping to the US)!

Now, there's more to this card than meets the eye. One would think it's based on the NVIDIA 7800 (G70) core given it's name. This card, however, is actually running the 7900GT core (G71) but over the AGP bus instead of PCIe. So this card has the full 24 pixel pipelines and 8 vertex shaders enabled. Adding to the confusion, Gainward released at least three variants of the 7800GS. Supposedly there are only 1500 of these "GS+" editions out there - no idea if that's true or not.

Gainward 7685-BLISS 7800GS 256MB TV-DVI AGP
Gainward GeForce BLISS 7800GS
Chip: 7800GT
Memory capacity: 256MB 1,6ns DDR
Clockspeed Core: 375MHZ
Clockspeed Mem: 1200MHZ
Pipes: 20
Gainwards barcode: 471846200-7685

Gainward 7739-BLISS 7800GS Silent 512MB
Gainward GeForce BLISS 7800GS AGP 512MB
Chip: 7800GT
Memory capacity: 512MB 1,4ns GDDR3
Clockspeed Core: 425MHZ
Clockspeed Mem: 1200MHZ
Pipes: 20
Gainwards barcode: 47846200-7739

Gainward 7876-BLISS 7800GS Silent 512MB GS+ 😎 😎 😎
Gainward GeForce BLISS 7800GS GoldenSample AGP 512MB
Chip: 7900GT
Core: 450MHZ
Mem: 1250MHZ
Pipes: 24
Gainwards barcode: 471846200-7876

How about some hardware pr0n?!?! 😊

Case
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The Guts
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Gainward FTW!
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Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
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Screen shots:
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Benchmarks (all done using defaults & Forceware 93.71 WHQL Drivers)

AQUAMARK 3
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3DMARK 01 SE
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3DMARK 03
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HD Tach
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For my next build I'm going back to 2000... stay tuned!

Last edited by Artex on 2016-01-16, 21:40. Edited 6 times in total.

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Reply 1 of 44, by PhilsComputerLab

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Very nice Artex!

Some really nice parts, not easy to find or cheap. I've had my eyes on a P4 EE, but the 3.4 GHz model is quite steep. Now they are fully unlocked aren't they?

If the system is still up and running, any chance you can run

- AquaMark 3
- 3DMark2001 SE and 03?

I can compare the results with my results from the P4 3.2 vs Athlon XP 3200+ video project 😀

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Reply 2 of 44, by petro89

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Awesome build! I definitely will have to get myself some of that RAM!

I like that PSU. The CX430 has become my go-to for basic builds that don't require a huge amount of power. Solid build and quiet. And you can't beat the price.

Thanks for sharing and I'm looking forward to the next build!!

*Ryzen 9 3900xt, 5700xt, Win10
*Ryzen 7 2700x, Gtx1080, Win10
*FX 9590, Vega64, Win10
*Phenom IIx6 1100T, R9 380, Win7
*QX9770, r9 270x, Win7
*FX60, hd5850, Win7
*XP2400+, ti4600, Win2k
*PPro 200 1mb, banshee, w98
*AMD 5x86, CL , DOS

Reply 4 of 44, by Artex

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Thanks all!! A very fun build for sure... So fast and nearly silent too! @Phil, benchmarks added.

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Reply 7 of 44, by darksheer

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Artex wrote:

nearly silent

Keep a p4 cool and "nearly silent" is already quite an achievement itself 🤣
F.E.A.R should run at maximum settings at 1600x1200 with some 2 or 4x AA and 16x AF 😎

Reply 8 of 44, by Artex

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bjt wrote:

Great build and 🤣 at the Wesley Snipes inspiration!

"Some motherf*cker's always try'na ice skate uphill"

^^ THIS! 😀

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Reply 9 of 44, by retrofanatic

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Very nice build Artex!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but besides the memory, I believe that the specs for this awesome system would be pretty close if not bang-on to a maxed out win98 setup.

It also depends if that awesome video card you have in there has win98 drivers. If so, I think it would make for a kick ass win98 beast.

With that said, would you consider running win98se on this instead of XP? It's pretty close to what I was thinking for an ultimate win98 build I was thinking of building myself except with a P4P800 board and different memory, different video card (6800GT)....ok then maybe not close 🤣, but along the same lines 😀.

Reply 10 of 44, by Artex

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retrofanatic wrote:
Very nice build Artex! […]
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Very nice build Artex!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but besides the memory, I believe that the specs for this awesome system would be pretty close if not bang-on to a maxed out win98 setup.

It also depends if that awesome video card you have in there has win98 drivers. If so, I think it would make for a kick ass win98 beast.

With that said, would you consider running win98se on this instead of XP? It's pretty close to what I was thinking for an ultimate win98 build I was thinking of building myself except with a P4P800 board and different memory, different video card (6800GT)....ok then maybe not close 🤣, but along the same lines 😀.

Thanks!!

It would be close! I don't believe there are drivers for Windows 98 though. If I remember correctly, the 6800GT/Ultra was the highest card supported in that OS. Also, I would need to disable hyperthreading on the P4EE edition. I have another socket 478 P4 (non-extreme edition) 3.0Ghz and MSI 865P board sitting here, as well as a few 6800GT/Ultra cards that will be going into a 98 build soon. I was curious how that would perform as well.

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Reply 11 of 44, by alexanrs

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retrofanatic wrote:

With that said, would you consider running win98se on this instead of XP?

Why one or the other? Just dual boot and use modded drivers for Windows 98 xD

Anyway, what a nice system. A Cool'n'Quiet Pentium 4 EE (pun intended) is always nice =)

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alexanrs wrote:
retrofanatic wrote:

With that said, would you consider running win98se on this instead of XP?

Why one or the other? Just dual boot and use modded drivers for Windows 98 xD

Good point. either way, it is a very nice build.

Reply 13 of 44, by PhilsComputerLab

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Nah, that machine has XP written all over it 🤣

This is for a new generation of retro gamers guys 😀

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Reply 15 of 44, by retrofanatic

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Artex wrote:

Thanks!!

It would be close! I don't believe there are drivers for Windows 98 though. If I remember correctly, the 6800GT/Ultra was the highest card supported in that OS. Also, I would need to disable hyperthreading on the P4EE edition. I have another socket 478 P4 (non-extreme edition) 3.0Ghz and MSI 865P board sitting here, as well as a few 6800GT/Ultra cards that will be going into a 98 build soon. I was curious how that would perform as well.

I think there were some Geforce 7 family cards that were the last to be officially supported (7800GT??? I think)...not sure, but yeah, in that regard coupled with the fact that you would have to disable HT on that beauty of a CPU that would be a deal breaker for me...I would then totally agree that this system has XP written all over it.

An MSI 865P and 6800GT/Ultra card combo would be closer to what I was going to build on my P4P800 platform anyways. I hope to find some time to get around to building it soon and maybe I will post some benchmarks. anyways, great build and I look forward to see the next one.

Reply 16 of 44, by petro89

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PhilsComputerLab wrote:

This is for a new generation of retro gamers guys 😀

That's exactly what I was thinking!!

*Ryzen 9 3900xt, 5700xt, Win10
*Ryzen 7 2700x, Gtx1080, Win10
*FX 9590, Vega64, Win10
*Phenom IIx6 1100T, R9 380, Win7
*QX9770, r9 270x, Win7
*FX60, hd5850, Win7
*XP2400+, ti4600, Win2k
*PPro 200 1mb, banshee, w98
*AMD 5x86, CL , DOS

Reply 17 of 44, by Artex

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That's what's so awesome about this place. 'Retro' means different things to different people but everyone can appreciate it all!

Thanks for the compliments all!

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Reply 18 of 44, by dexter311

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That's a bitchin machine Artex! You chose a great mobo for the basis of this build - I have the P4P800-E in my P4 Duriel build and it's excellent. But dat Extreme Edition! Really want to find one for mine, but no dice yet.

And there are other machines for Win98 - this one has WinXP written all over it!

I really gotta get some benchmarks done on Duriel though - cheers for yours, they're probably a good idea of what I could be aiming for (well, except for the big difference in GPUs that is). Would be interesting to see if my RAID0 Raptors actually make a difference in performance.