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First post, by 386_junkie

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This is going to be a three part thread to test and bench the three Blue Lightning systems I have built / building. The three systems comprise of; - third party’s Alaris Couger, IBM’s PS/1 1000, and a modified PS/2 8580. This first part thread will focus on Alaris’ Couger.

Now, it has been a few months since I bought this board and with the mountain of ongoing projects… it has taken until now to put something together and give it a decent test / bench. A couple of changes were made during testing (mainly cache) with the board again benched to reflect the changes.

The specs; -

Motherboard: Alaris Cougar
Chipset: Opti 82C499
Cache: 256k (20ns) / 512k (15ns)
Memory; 8MB (70ns) Proprietary Compaq / IBM
CPU: IBM 486DLC3 a.k.a BL3
FPU: No

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The board

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BL2 - 75.2 MHz / BL3 - 99.7 MHz

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BL2 / BL3 (256k cache)

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Cachechk

These results were obtained with 20ns 256K (32K x 😎 cache plugged into the board, though I was curious to see if there was any difference by larger and / or faster cache in tandem with the triple clocking of Blue Lightning, so I changed out the (32K x 😎’s and plugged in (128K x 😎’s to have 15ns 512K cache.

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BL2 / BL3 (512k cache)

There was not a great deal of difference which I was half expecting. In fact it had even crossed my mind that the added cache may slow things down a little as I’d seen in other systems… but maintaining performance is a win in itself. As a side note; by the time I’d sourced 512k cache, the STB was already packed away… so the closer to hand DS64 was used. You can see the difference in memory timings, STB throughput around two and a half times that of the DS64!

Overall and in practice, there is a definite and noticeable change in system performance between the double and triple clocking of the CPU. Speedsys seems to mark BL3 as beating a DX2/50, and even comparing it to a DX2/66. I can’t yet agree with this as I’ll probably need to do more testing… especially on the practical side i.e. comparing and seeing how programs run… but for now, it is certainly not beating around no bush.

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Reply 1 of 8, by Skyscraper

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The CPU speed is impressive but the memory speed is rather slow although the 486DLC3 should have a full 32bit memory bus.

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Reply 2 of 8, by BSA Starfire

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Awesome! you have some really interesting and obscure bits, alway enjoy your threads. I really like the sound of these IBM over pumped 386 chips, specially when they show fast 486's what for!

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Reply 4 of 8, by 386_junkie

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Skyscraper wrote:

The CPU speed is impressive but the memory speed is rather slow although the 486DLC3 should have a full 32bit memory bus.

Yea, this I noticed and is something I've been looking to address (excuse the pun!). The 486DLC3 does have a full 32 bit bus but the board uses proprietary 70ns simms and of the few 72 pins I have, none work with this board. I have already ordered a couple of new IBM 60ns simms, though looking over the board jumpers again I noticed there are a couple near the RAM banks that deal with DMA channels. I have not played with these as yet but when the simms arrive and I open her back up, i'll see if changing the channels have any effect.

BSA Starfire wrote:

Awesome! you have some really interesting and obscure bits, alway enjoy your threads. I really like the sound of these IBM over pumped 386 chips, specially when they show fast 486's what for!

Thanks. I've only really just begun the great IBM adventure and will post periodically with my findings. This was the first and ready to test, next it will be the PS/1 and last will be the PS/2 8580 which needs the most done to get it ready (keep finding lots of surprises with this one i.e. broken floppy drive etc).

Ha! 😀 yea... I'm one for the underdog, 386's are it for me. I don't really have a lot of time for 486's unfortunately... I've already spent about a year now on my flagship duo core 386 project with is now nearing it's end! Though If a 386 can hold ground or even go toe-to-toe with a low/mid end 486... then it should definitely get a cheer!

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Test in something real besides synthetic tests is also important. Like in Doom.

Thanks for the pointer... I agree, these are ideal practical tests i'm looking for.

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Reply 5 of 8, by Anonymous Coward

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I already posted a doom benchmark in the 386 speedsys thread for an IBM 486SLC2-66. It bested the Cyrix 486DRx2-66. Still not close to a full i486-66, but it would have been the best bang for the buck at the time of release.

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Reply 6 of 8, by 386_junkie

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Anonymous Coward wrote:

I already posted a doom benchmark in the 386 speedsys thread for an IBM 486SLC2-66. It bested the Cyrix 486DRx2-66. Still not close to a full i486-66, but it would have been the best bang for the buck at the time of release.

I found your post over there... it's good seeing another of the Alaris boards in action.

There are a few things that jump out; -

1) Your Trident card has quicker memory timings than a (VRAM) DS64! Which card is it? Also DRAM I suspect?

2) You are having a similar issue with the memory throughput as do I. Do you have any options in hardware to configure DMA channels? Also are you using Compaq/IBM prop simms?

3) In terms of L1 & L2, your L1 is not too far off the L1 of DLC2... but the L2 seems to be feeling the 16-bit DB.

Did you make a recording without the FPU?

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It bested the Cyrix 486DRx2-66.

IBM... 1, Cyrix... 0

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Reply 7 of 8, by feipoa

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386_junkie: Do you still have this motherboard/system? If so, would you be willing to run DOOM -timedemo demo3 (no sound, of course) at 75 and 100 MHz on your BL3? I'm troubleshooting some issues with my BL3 related to cache invalidation.

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Reply 8 of 8, by 386_junkie

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feipoa wrote:

386_junkie: Do you still have this motherboard/system? If so, would you be willing to run DOOM -timedemo demo3 (no sound, of course) at 75 and 100 MHz on your BL3? I'm troubleshooting some issues with my BL3 related to cache invalidation.

Just saw this... sorry to have taken so long to respond.

Sure, will look to see if I can do this soon. It has been an aim to do some bench-marking again... not done any in a while and I have some new parts I would like to test. Will incorporate this board in with the tests.

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