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First post, by vladstamate

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Hey all. I am trying to find out what GPU can I pare with my P4 2.66Ghz. I would like to understand this from 2 points of view:

1) What is period correct? I assume here is a Geforce FX 5xxx
2) What is the best I can put in? Geforce 6xxx or Geforce 7xxx ? At which point the CPU will not be able to feed the GPU fast enough?

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Reply 1 of 14, by candle_86

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It was released August 2002 so

Radeon 9700 Pro / Ti 4600 where the best cards at release, as for best card it can take advantage of, I'd say Geforce 6800/x800

But if your board supports it why not go for something faster, at the least a Pentium 4 3.06 HT

Reply 2 of 14, by Tetrium

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Agreed with above.

About the diminishing returns, it depends.

But as candle_86 suggested, you can always use something like a GF6800 for instance and upgrade the CPU later.
If your intent is to keep the 2.66, FX59x0 or GF4 would be fine too I guess.

You could also opt for a Radeon 9600. Would make a decent match with your CPU I think. And if it doesn't work out, you can always change stuff around later.

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Reply 3 of 14, by candle_86

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As for max before deminishing returns, I'd say it depends but in general id say the cpu will max out these cards. 6600gt/6800/6800gs (AGP)/X800/X1650PRO beyond that deminishing returns. I remember I had a 6800gt on an xp 3000 and the move to Athlon64 made it feel brand new at least a 40% jump in halo and far cry

Reply 4 of 14, by vladstamate

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You are right. It seems GeForce4 Ti is more period accurate, however that gives me only DX 8 (PS 1.3 specifically) ability whereas with a GeForce FX 5xxx I can get PS 2.0 and DX9. Now this can be a moot point if this CPU cannot really play DX9 (even early ones) games properly.

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Reply 5 of 14, by clueless1

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I think there's some leeway with period correctness. Even back in the day, it was common to upgrade components in your system for a few years before starting over.

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Reply 6 of 14, by candle_86

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Yep my xp 3000 with 6800gt and a soundblaster live 5.1 was my main in 2005 so upgrades where hogpodge back then. As for dc9 games your fine for halo/half life 2/far cry/doom3 generation stuff. Heck I played COD2 on my AXP just fine

Reply 7 of 14, by Tetrium

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candle_86 wrote:

As for max before deminishing returns, I'd say it depends but in general id say the cpu will max out these cards. 6600gt/6800/6800gs (AGP)/X800/X1650PRO beyond that deminishing returns. I remember I had a 6800gt on an xp 3000 and the move to Athlon64 made it feel brand new at least a 40% jump in halo and far cry

I noticed the same thing regarding my Barton 3200+ and my 2 2.2GHz A64s.
Radeon9600 to 7600GS (which is about equal to a GF6800) made the system much more responsive during heavy gaming, but going from the 7600GS to a 4670 DDR3 seemed to not really matter, even during dlowdowns.

The 7600GS got used in one of my my A64 2.2GHz (the other one received a GF6800) and it was a bit faster ingame then the Barton 3200+.

clueless1 wrote:

I think there's some leeway with period correctness. Even back in the day, it was common to upgrade components in your system for a few years before starting over.

I think so as well. Many computers at any given time has been upgraded.

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Reply 8 of 14, by shamino

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I like the 7600GS for machines of that level. It performs well and you might run into situations where it has better compatibility or performance with some later games that are still playable on a P4. But if you just want the P4 to run games from the early 2000s and don't care about stretching it's abilities, then some older model cards may do just as well in older games.

Period correctness can be looked at different ways. When the AGP versions of cards like the 7600GS were released they were intended as upgrades for people with fast P4s (along with Athlon64s), so really that is the period they were always targeted for, even though they are newer than the systems in question.

Another possible task for a P4 machine is being able to play HD video. A fast P4 is borderline for being able to decode H.264 1080p in software. I would say a 2.66GHz Northwood can probably handle 720p consistently, but not 1080p. I've noticed that Prescotts are faster at this, but still they have to work hard at it.
If you care about HD video on a P4, then it's worth considering some of the late ATI AGP cards which have H.264 acceleration. The acceleration on the HD2400 and later cards is very effective, but there are limitations in how it can be utilized. My experience with an AGP HD2600XT has been that it will do hardware decode if I play a saved file through the MPC-BE player, but it's not accelerated in VLC or in a web browser. I think the HD4xxx cards are less limited, but they're expensive.
In terms of gaming, I've only seen the advantage of the HD2600XT vs 7600GS show up in shader heavy games that you wouldn't normally play on a P4.

Reply 10 of 14, by agent_x007

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shamino wrote:

In terms of gaming, I've only seen the advantage of the HD2600XT vs 7600GS show up in shader heavy games that you wouldn't normally play on a P4.

Like Crysis.
I also wanted to add, that Doom 3 isn't shader heavy enough for HD 2600 XT to be faster than 6800 Ultra.

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Reply 11 of 14, by filipetolhuizen

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If you can find a GF 7900/7950GT AGP, go for it. Best bet for performance/compatibility and settles quite well with the P4s.

Reply 13 of 14, by PhilsComputerLab

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I've got another option for you guys. Rather than invest the money into a high end AGP card, consider investing into a PCIe 478 board.

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Reply 14 of 14, by gdjacobs

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PhilsComputerLab wrote:

I've got another option for you guys. Rather than invest the money into a high end AGP card, consider investing into a PCIe 4̶7̶8̶ board.

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