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First post, by PcBytes

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Just assembled a 2k machine after I fixed an Socket 370 motherboard.

Case: some random beige Deer case
PSU: L&C LC-B350ATX 350W
HDD: 8GB WDC Protege (will upgrade it though)
CPU: Pentium 3 850MHz Coppermine
MB: QDI P6V694X/A10E (694x,Tualatin compatible - has 1 ISA slot,yay)
GPU: Palit GF4 MX440 (AGP8x variant)
NIC: Realtek RTL8139C+
Sound: SB16 Value CT2770 ISA
ODD:Pioneer DVD-117
Other: Winfast TV2000XP Deluxe PCI
OS: Windows 2000 Advanced Server

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98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 1 of 15, by chinny22

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Why server? Install Pro and you wont slow down the system with loading unnecessary services.
I would give it a better sound card and you have a nice PC for Win9x games.
Or keep the SB16 and duel boot with Win9x, then you can drop back to DOS and also play those 1 or 2 games that refuse to work in 2k

All just suggestions if course! its your PC at the end of the day

Edit: typo

Reply 2 of 15, by PcBytes

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chinny22 wrote:
Why server? Install Pro and you wont slow down the system with loading unnecessary services. I would give it a better sound card […]
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Why server? Install Pro and you wont slow down the system with loading unnecessary services.
I would give it a better sound card and you have a nice PC for Win9x games.
Or keep the SB16 and duel boot with Win9x, then you can drop back to DOS and also play those 1 or 2 games that refuse to work in 2k

All just suggestions if course! its your PC at the end of the day

Edit: typo

I went with Server because Pro would lock up with the GPU for some reason.

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Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 5 of 15, by PcBytes

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sprcorreia wrote:

I don't recall that motherboard being Tualatin compatible. That's why QDI had the Advance 10T.

It actually does. I ran a Tualeron 1.1GHz for a while but I needed it for another machine so I put the 850MHz Coppermine in there. The Tualeron came from a ECS P6VXAT motherboard, that also uses the VIA 694X chipset.

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Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 7 of 15, by candle_86

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sprcorreia wrote:

Are you sure it isn't just a Coppermine in fc-pga2 format? The heatspreader doesn't mean that the cpu is Tualatin.

Arn't all 1.1Ghz+ 370 chips tutalins?

Reply 8 of 15, by Skyscraper

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candle_86 wrote:
sprcorreia wrote:

Are you sure it isn't just a Coppermine in fc-pga2 format? The heatspreader doesn't mean that the cpu is Tualatin.

Arn't all 1.1Ghz+ 370 chips tutalins?

No.

www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium-III/Inte ... 0256).html I think all Coppermine 1100(100) are FC-PGA.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium-III/Int … 26PZ006256.html All Coppermine 1133(133) are FC-PGA2 except for the failed one I guess... 😀

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Reply 9 of 15, by PcBytes

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sprcorreia wrote:

Are you sure it isn't just a Coppermine in fc-pga2 format? The heatspreader doesn't mean that the cpu is Tualatin.

Nope, it's a Tualatin 100%.
http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SL6CA.html

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98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 10 of 15, by appiah4

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Well, for 2000 the GeForce 2 GTS/Ultra are the way to go as far as GPUs are concerned, as for audio if you will install 2K Pro you may as well drop in a Live! 4.1 or Value..

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Reply 11 of 15, by PcBytes

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appiah4 wrote:

Well, for 2000 the GeForce 2 GTS/Ultra are the way to go as far as GPUs are concerned, as for audio if you will install 2K Pro you may as well drop in a Live! 4.1 or Value..

I could have gone as low as Xpert2000 or Riva TNT2 M64 32MB but I ended up with the MX440 because it's more available than GF2 GTS/Ultra here (at least in my town), and because I need TV output.

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98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 12 of 15, by Saotome Ranma

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Normally, VIA 694x is not my personal recommendation since its poor compatibility on hardware and relatively lower performance comparing to intel's chips, even it has larger memory capacity. And if u want a motherboard with native ISA slot support (ISA support has officially been removed from intel 81X and 82x chipsets), 440BX is the best choice, it supports up to 1GB of SDRAM, twice as the 81x chipsets, especially for those socket370 boards with 133MHz FSB and ATA-100 IDE controllers such as ASUS CUBX series,

TNT 2 is also not a quite smart choice IMO due to its poor backward compatibility on D3D.

Geforce 2 GTS/Ultra with a Voodoo 4/5 or even a voodoo 3 is the perfect combination on D3D 5.0~7.0, openGL and Glide games. But if it is really hard to find one, MX 440 could be considered as the same performance and compatibility as Geforce 2 GTS/Ultra.

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Reply 13 of 15, by PcBytes

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Saotome Ranma wrote:

Normally, VIA 694x is not my personal recommendation since its poor compatibility on hardware and relatively lower performance comparing to intel's chips, even it has larger memory capacity. And if u want a motherboard with native ISA slot support (ISA support has officially been removed from intel 81X and 82x chipsets), 440BX is the best choice, it supports up to 1GB of SDRAM, twice as the 81x chipsets, especially for those socket370 boards with 133MHz FSB and ATA-100 IDE controllers such as ASUS CUBX series,

TNT 2 is also not a quite smart choice IMO due to its poor backward compatibility on D3D.

Geforce 2 GTS/Ultra with a Voodoo 4/5 or even a voodoo 3 is the perfect combination on D3D 5.0~7.0, openGL and Glide games. But if it is really hard to find one, MX 440 could be considered as the same performance and compatibility as Geforce 2 GTS/Ultra.

I had 440BX boards and they usually didn't work with PC133 sticks that I have. (most of my 128-256MB and even 512MB sticks are all PC133,regardless of being single or double sided)
This and 440BX are now rare like hens teeth where I live. I used to see Socket 7/Slot1/370 a few years ago, but now I can't find anything old than 478,754 and AM2.

The TNT2 M64 I got for cheap as it was a good GPU to test boards with. The only thing I'd find it useful in is maybe a Pentium 100 or 133 AGP-based (so VIA MVP3/4 and all SS7 AGP chipsets) because anything newer would be heavily bottlenecked by it.

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Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 14 of 15, by appiah4

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There's also that not all 440BX mainboards support RAM larger than 128MB per DIMM slot. I know mine works with PC133 but does not recognize 256MB sticks, for example (according to its manual..).

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Reply 15 of 15, by PcBytes

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appiah4 wrote:

There's also that not all 440BX mainboards support RAM larger than 128MB per DIMM slot. I know mine works with PC133 but does not recognize 256MB sticks, for example (according to its manual..).

In my case it would count 64MB out of a PC133 128MB stick.

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB