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Socket A: Nvidia vs Via - battle of the platforms!

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Reply 60 of 64, by nd22

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Tetrium wrote on 2020-09-16, 16:29:
So I realize that this thread has had a slight necro, but I did want to mention that I love such a system. I never got around to […]
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nd22 wrote on 2018-01-29, 11:34:
1.CPU: Athlon XP 3200 2.2ghz with 400 FSB (actually it's 200) 2.RAM: Corsair 2*1gb CAS 3-3-3-8 DDR400 with silver heat-spreaders […]
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1.CPU: Athlon XP 3200 2.2ghz with 400 FSB (actually it's 200)
2.RAM: Corsair 2*1gb CAS 3-3-3-8 DDR400 with silver heat-spreaders!
3.GPU: Leadtek geforce 7800gs 256mb. To all the people that will remind me that are stronger video cards on the AGP interface: I tried installing both the Radeon 4670 and the Radeon 3850! The system enters a continuous restart loop with either of the cards installed but runs just fine with geforce 7800gs/7600gt/X1600XT!
4. Storage: Maxtor 80gb HDD; Intel 180gb SSD (yes ,I know it's not period correct but I used it to speed up the boot times which are really slow on the Maxtor) various IDE optical drives; the system will not run with a SATA optical drive installed!
5. PSU: 350w FSP with strong 5V rail; old but good!
The motherboards:
In one corner we have the Abit AN7 with nforce2 ultra 400 chipset; this motherboard does not have SATA integrated in the chipset but provided via a Silicon Image 3112 controller; 3 memory dims; after serious problems and numerous testing I have found a kit capable of running in dual channel configuration on this board and this is what I am going to use! Also the board has Sound Storm that provides one the best audio experience on systems of this era.
In another corner we have the Abit (you see a pattern here don't you?) KW7 with via kt880 chipset; SATA is integrated in the chipset; 4 memory dims and is far less picky about the memory running with just about every memory module I have; can run with 4 1gb dims in dual channel mode however I choose to use only 2*1gb because any 32 bit Windows (XP or 2000 - tried both) will recognize only 3gb and you must set 2T command rate in Bios for the system to be stable wherever with 2 dims the system runs at 1T!
Both systems have been configured to run only with minimum required hardware in order to complete the tests; wireless cards, extra USB cards have not been installed; unnecessary Bios options have been disabled!

So I realize that this thread has had a slight necro, but I did want to mention that I love such a system. I never got around to building an NForce chipsetted board (they did end up on my testbench a few times but it ended up never going beyond that), but I did have a KT600 chipsetted FS system for years, also with a Barton 3200+. It started out with a Radeon 9600, which I later upgraded to a GF7600GS which improved performance significantly.

However, I did upgrade the graphics card again some time later to a HD4670 and even though I did get it working, there wasn't any obvious and significant performance increase at all from the card. It was clearly held back by the rest of the system (most likely the CPU).

So even though it's a bit of a shame that the 4670 and 3850 didn't seem to work out for you, I doubt it would have really gave a lot of benefit when playing contemporary games. However, I never got to try the cards out in much higher resolutions as I has dealing with a cheap OEM relatively tiny LCD monitor at the time which didn't support higher resolutions. Perhaps some benefits could still be found there.

If people are interested I will publish further results with the 2 platforms in order to establish once and for all the King of socket 462!
I should mention that i have now 4 working socket 462 systems and possibility for many more because I collected most of the boards with every single chipset ever manufactured by Abit.
Common hardware includes:
1. Athlon XP 3200
2. 2*1gb CAS3 dimms made by various manufacturers - there is no difference whatsoever between an expensive Corsair kit and a regular Kingston/whatever kit if timings are all set at the same values however nforce2 platforms only work with Corsair.
3. geforce 7800gs 256mb by Leadtek
4. various IDE optical drives - and no you can not use SATA optical drives with the majority of socket 462 boards.
5. various SATA hard drives.
The motherboards around which a system is already assembled are:
Abit AN7 - nforce2 ultra 400 with sound storm
Abit KW7 - via kt880
Abit NF7-S2G - nforce2 ultra 400 with integrated SATA
Abit KV7 - via kt600
Further boards that I keep in storage include:
Abit NF7 - S 2.0- nforce2 ultra 400 with sound storm;
Abit KD7A - via kt 400a;
Abit AT7 - MAX2 - via kt400
Abit KX7 - 333R - via kt333
Abit KR7A - via kt266a
Abit KT7A - via kt133a
I should add that the CPU and the GPU are fully working only in the 4 systems that I mention; the rest will not take either the CPU because of the 400mhz FSB or the GPU because it requires AGP 8X I think.

Reply 62 of 64, by nd22

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I do have a complete Abit KG7-raid build with Athlon 1400C, 2*1gb of CAS2 ram; geforce4 ti and an old IDE WD 60gb. Planing to do a comparison between AMD760 chipset, VIA KT133A and VIA KT266A to see which was the best performer in 2001 and between 1400C on Via KT133A and 1400S on VIA Apollo 133T to see which is faster using SDRAM PC133.

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Reply 63 of 64, by The Serpent Rider

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I would compare these two and call it a day:

Abit AN7 - nforce2 ultra 400 with sound storm
Abit KW7 - via kt880

Although, I think there won't be major difference between them in typical RAM and/or AGP oriented benchies. Major difference probably would be hiding in PCI, integrated I/O and CPU utilization under I/O heavy scenarios. Most likely not in VIA favor. So maybe add Abit NF7-S2G, if you want to test Nvidia native SATA performance.

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Reply 64 of 64, by Am386DX-40

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nd22 wrote on 2020-10-08, 09:02:

I do have a complete Abit KG7-raid build with Athlon 1400C, 1*2gb of CAS2 ram; geforce4 ti and an old IDE WD 60gb. Planing to do a comparison between AMD760 chipset, VIA KT133A and VIA KT266A to see which was the best performer in 2001 and between 1400C on Via KT133A and 1400S on VIA Apollo 133T to see which is faster using SDRAM PC133.

Interesting! Hope to see that soon.