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First post, by britain4

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I started out with a socket 370 Celeron system, a very budget build from around 2000 that I was given - actually with quite credible late 90s gaming specs. A 600mhz Celeron, 64mb RAM, an ATI Rage Pro Turbo and a lovely mint condition Enlight tower case.

I then found an old MSI slot 1 board of mine - 440BX chipset and a Pentium III in there.

Finally over a few weeks I picked up from eBay a Tualatin board with a 1.4ghz included, another 1.4ghz Tualatin and a modded slocket, 2 Voodoo2s and a Voodoo3

Wondered if anyone had any thoughts on my plans for 3 90s/early 2000s gaming systems... (the dates are very approximate)

System 1 - ~1998, Windows 98/DOS

Pentium II 350mhz
MSI MS6119 motherboard
128mb PC133
ATI Rage Pro Turbo + Voodoo2 SLI
ESS Audiodrive
Enlight beige tower case

System 2 - ~1999, Windows 98

Pentium III 700mhz
QDI BrillianX9 motherboard
256mb PC133
Voodoo3 3000
Sound Blaster Live!
Suitable 90s beige tower case (still to buy)

System 3 - ~2001, Windows 98/XP
Pentium III-S 1.4ghz
ECS P6IPAT motherboard
512mb PC133
GeForce4 Ti 4200
Sound card TBC
Black tower case

- P-MMX 200MHZ, PCChips M598LMR, Voodoo
- P-MMX 233MHz, FIC PA2013, S3 ViRGE + Voodoo
- PII 400MHz, MSI MS6119, ATI Rage Pro Turbo + Voodoo2 SLI
- PIII 1400MHz, ECS P6IPAT, Voodoo5 5500
- Toshiba Libretto 110CT, 300MHz, 96MB RAM

Reply 1 of 6, by weldum

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to me they're fine, you can disable the 3d acceleration in the rage pro turbo in the first system, only if you experience problems in directx games

DT: R7-5800X3D/R5-3600/R3-1200/P-G5400/FX-6100/i3-3225/P-8400/D-900/K6-2_550
LT: C-N2840/A64-TK57/N2600/N455/N270/C-ULV353/PM-1.7/P4-2.6/P133
TC: Esther-1000/Esther-400/Vortex86-366
Others: Drean C64c/Czerweny Spectrum 48k/Talent MSX DPC200/M512K/MP475

Reply 2 of 6, by derSammler

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Pentium II 350mhz
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ATI Rage Pro Turbo + Voodoo2 SLI

That's not a good match. You need a 1 GHz CPU to fully utilize the power of a Voodoo 2 SLI setup. With a Pentium II 350 MHz, it's a complete waste. You're better off using only a single Voodoo 2 in this machine.

Reply 3 of 6, by britain4

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OK I hear you on the Voodoo2 SLI, I was going on roughly “period correctness”?

Being a slot 1 board I do have options for the CPU, I have a P3 450 on hand which will run at 500+ and the 1.4ghz Tualatin in the slotket which runs fine in that board (and can underclock slightly if need be)

So I could keep it “period correct” unless I need the extra power then fit a faster CPU, keep the faster CPU in there by default or just use a single card...

- P-MMX 200MHZ, PCChips M598LMR, Voodoo
- P-MMX 233MHz, FIC PA2013, S3 ViRGE + Voodoo
- PII 400MHz, MSI MS6119, ATI Rage Pro Turbo + Voodoo2 SLI
- PIII 1400MHz, ECS P6IPAT, Voodoo5 5500
- Toshiba Libretto 110CT, 300MHz, 96MB RAM

Reply 4 of 6, by appiah4

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derSammler wrote:

Pentium II 350mhz
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ATI Rage Pro Turbo + Voodoo2 SLI

That's not a good match. You need a 1 GHz CPU to fully utilize the power of a Voodoo 2 SLI setup. With a Pentium II 350 MHz, it's a complete waste. You're better off using only a single Voodoo 2 in this machine.

I disagree with this line of thought even with a PII or K6-2 the SLI was the only way to get fast 1024x768 in 1998; so yeah even though the SLI setup scales all the way up to 1GHz and beyond it is not ‘wasted’ in a period correct 1997/98 build..

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Reply 5 of 6, by derSammler

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OK I hear you on the Voodoo2 SLI, I was going on roughly “period correctness”?

When the Voodoo 2 hit the marked, you could already buy the 450 MHz P2. And SLI was developed with scalability in mind.

As said, just go with a single Voodoo 2. Your second system already covers the next step, so this is fine.

I disagree with this line of thought even with a PII or K6-2 the SLI was the only way to get fast 1024x768 in 1997; so yeah even though the SLI setup scales all the way up to 1GHz and beyond it is not ‘wasted’ in a period correct 1997/98 build..

You may disagree if all you care about is being able to use 1024x768 with z-buffer instead of 800x600. The Pentium II 350 MHz isn't even able to fully load a single Voodoo 2. So it is wasted, unless you are hoarding dozens of Voodoo 2 cards.

Reply 6 of 6, by britain4

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derSammler wrote:
When the Voodoo 2 hit the marked, you could already buy the 450 MHz P2. And SLI was developed with scalability in mind. […]
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OK I hear you on the Voodoo2 SLI, I was going on roughly “period correctness”?

When the Voodoo 2 hit the marked, you could already buy the 450 MHz P2. And SLI was developed with scalability in mind.

As said, just go with a single Voodoo 2. Your second system already covers the next step, so this is fine.

I disagree with this line of thought even with a PII or K6-2 the SLI was the only way to get fast 1024x768 in 1997; so yeah even though the SLI setup scales all the way up to 1GHz and beyond it is not ‘wasted’ in a period correct 1997/98 build..

You may disagree if all you care about is being able to use 1024x768 with z-buffer instead of 800x600. The Pentium II 350 MHz isn't even able to fully load a single Voodoo 2. So it is wasted, unless you are hoarding dozens of Voodoo 2 cards.

Yeah I know you could get the P2 450 at the time, but a 350 is all I had... I will have another think about that one. I guess another way round it would be to get rid of the Voodoo3, pair the Voodoo2s with the 700mhz PIII and stick with 2 machines... I wasn’t going for 100% period correctness, just thought it would be a good guide to choosing parts

- P-MMX 200MHZ, PCChips M598LMR, Voodoo
- P-MMX 233MHz, FIC PA2013, S3 ViRGE + Voodoo
- PII 400MHz, MSI MS6119, ATI Rage Pro Turbo + Voodoo2 SLI
- PIII 1400MHz, ECS P6IPAT, Voodoo5 5500
- Toshiba Libretto 110CT, 300MHz, 96MB RAM