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First post, by TimWolf

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Scored a Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.73ghz SL7Z4 processor. Would like to make a build around this chip but I don't really have anything to go with it yet. What should I be looking for in a motherboard? Any recommendations for video cards? Looking to use this for classic games 2006ish or older, probably a dual XP / Win98. One of my kids and I like RTS games. Looking at youtube most people obsess over what they can try in 2018 or 2019 and showcasing what later stuff looks like running on an extreme P4. I just want to have an awesome period piece to use the best of that era and older. I have faster stuff to play newer games already. Looking forward to the conversation!

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Reply 1 of 27, by cyclone3d

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Nice.. I am still looking for a few older Intel Extreme CPUs.. that being one of them.

Anyway, take a look at Game Debate. I didn't know that they had a game list / system requirements area.

For the year change.. just change the year in the address bar.

2004 - year that CPU was released
https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?year=2004

Geforce 6800 Ultra

2005
https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?year=2005

Radeon x1800 or nVidia 7900GTX or similar

2006
https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?year=2006

Geforce 8800 GTX or Ultra

As far as motherboards go.. just find a good LGA775 board and use that. The i865 and i915 are the latest with official Win9x drivers as far as I know. Intel driver version is: 6.2.1.1001.
The readme does mention the 925X/XE though I don't see that in the files in the driver so who knows.

There is also the newer 6.3.0.1007 which I didn't know existed but is available for download from vogonsdrivers.
http://vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=8 … &menustate=28,0

That also says it supports the 875 chipset though I don't see files for it. Guessing it uses the 865 ones?

The driver that Intel still has easily availabe that lists windows 98 - 8.3.1.1009 does not actually support anything below Windows 2000.

Edit: found an even newer Intel chipset driver with Windows 98 support - 6.3.1.1004 - dated 4-18-2005.
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/911 … 6-3-1-1004-EXE-

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Reply 2 of 27, by Ponjiayulady

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I think asus p5wd2 or Intel D975xbx2 suitable for P4 EE 3.73
Graphic card I recommend nvidia 7900GT

When you chose MB for P4EE, you should be careful
Most LGA775 board don’t support P4EE won’t boot
Only 925xe 955x 965/975 chipset fully support it
But 925xe 955x is too old and hard to upgrade
I think 975x is best and easily upgrade to core2

Reply 3 of 27, by Ponjiayulady

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Although GeForce 7/8 is much powerful on xp games
If you want to use it on win98, maybe you can consider 6800GT or 6600GT, officially support for win98
GeForce 7/8 need 3rd party modified driver for win98

Reply 4 of 27, by agent_x007

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@Ponjiayulady Most boards don't support Prescott ?
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What are you talking about ?

The only limitation on compatibility side for this CPU is 1066MHz FSB.
DO NOT mistake this CPU with Gallatin based one.

Chipset 955X or 975X (when period correctness is key), 2GB RAM, 7800 GTX/7900 GTX or X1800XT/X1950XTX. This P4EE is supported by all LGA 775 boards with P965 or later chipsets.

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Reply 6 of 27, by Ponjiayulady

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TimWolf wrote:

Thank you for all the responses.

What is the latest chipset supporting Win98SE and Prescott at 1066 FSB? 925XE?

TW

I think it’s impossible to get 9XX chipset natively support win98
But some people even use new cpu like Ryzen to install win98
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KFEpHEXBCbA

Don’t care about these unsupported device in device manager
Just install 98 supported VGA card and old pci sound card then play game

The latest MB fully support 98 is 865/875 chipset, but its impossible to use cpu like p4 3.73

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Reply 7 of 27, by cyclone3d

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Ponjiayulady wrote:
I think it’s impossible to get 9XX chipset natively support win98 But some people even use new cpu like Ryzen to install win98 h […]
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TimWolf wrote:

Thank you for all the responses.

What is the latest chipset supporting Win98SE and Prescott at 1066 FSB? 925XE?

TW

I think it’s impossible to get 9XX chipset natively support win98
But some people even use new cpu like Ryzen to install win98
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KFEpHEXBCbA

It is possible. There are modified driver installs out there.

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Reply 8 of 27, by havli

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I think it depends on the board, some of them might work, others won't. Once I installed win98 SE (no mods) on MSI P965 board with C2D E6600... no problems. On the other hand Asus P5WDG2 WS Pro (975X) was no go.

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Reply 9 of 27, by agent_x007

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Ponjiayulady wrote:

I think it’s impossible to get 9XX chipset natively support win98
But some people even use new cpu like Ryzen to install win98
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KFEpHEXBCbA

About that Ryzen and Win98 : Don't assume someone uses such PC as normal one. Here's topic about it : LINK
It's NOT meant as normal PC, just a experiment. Also, author of video wrote this as well :

The worst thing about running Windows 98 on the setup I used is that the system would frequently freeze in brief intervals, possibly due to virtual memory swapping...

In general, the least ammount of stuff/devices, the better Win98 compatibility on newer boards.
Personally I used LGA 1366 as Win98 platform.

PS. You can use 3,73GHz P4EE for Win98 no problem.
It's just the question of right motherboard.
There is no need to install chipset drivers Win98 for newer stuff.

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Reply 11 of 27, by cyclone3d

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TimWolf wrote:

Asus website has beta WIN98SE drivers for P5AD2-E.

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5AD2E_Prem … pDesk_Download/

Can anyone confirm that this board does work well in Win98SE?

That is a beta BIOS, not drivers.

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Reply 12 of 27, by Ponjiayulady

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I found this : Chipset: INF Update Utility for 848, 865, 875, 910, 915, 925 Chipset-Based Intel Desktop Boards
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/147 … ds?product=2631

Chipset driver for 925 chipset on win98

Reply 13 of 27, by TimWolf

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Ponjiayulady wrote:

I found this : Chipset: INF Update Utility for 848, 865, 875, 910, 915, 925 Chipset-Based Intel Desktop Boards
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/147 … ds?product=2631

Chipset driver for 925 chipset on win98

Sweet. I was thinking of abandoning the idea and just going full XP. Now did I hear there is a Win98SE hack that allows 4GB ram?

Reply 15 of 27, by TimWolf

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TimWolf wrote:
Ponjiayulady wrote:

I found this : Chipset: INF Update Utility for 848, 865, 875, 910, 915, 925 Chipset-Based Intel Desktop Boards
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/147 … ds?product=2631

Chipset driver for 925 chipset on win98

Sweet. I was thinking of abandoning the idea and just going full XP. Now did I hear there is a Win98SE hack that allows 4GB ram?

I got to snooping around here to try and answer my own question, and found this thread:
>512MB with Windows 98...

I'm considering an ASUS board at the moment. Is there some way to find out, or is it fairly standard to be able to limit the ram for Win98SE when it boots vs having the use of the full 4GB for XP with it boots?

Reply 16 of 27, by TimWolf

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cyclone3d wrote:
Nice.. I am still looking for a few older Intel Extreme CPUs.. that being one of them. […]
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Nice.. I am still looking for a few older Intel Extreme CPUs.. that being one of them.

Anyway, take a look at Game Debate. I didn't know that they had a game list / system requirements area.

For the year change.. just change the year in the address bar.

2004 - year that CPU was released
https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?year=2004

Geforce 6800 Ultra

2005
https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?year=2005

Radeon x1800 or nVidia 7900GTX or similar

2006
https://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?year=2006

Geforce 8800 GTX or Ultra

As far as motherboards go.. just find a good LGA775 board and use that. The i865 and i915 are the latest with official Win9x drivers as far as I know. Intel driver version is: 6.2.1.1001.
The readme does mention the 925X/XE though I don't see that in the files in the driver so who knows.

There is also the newer 6.3.0.1007 which I didn't know existed but is available for download from vogonsdrivers.
http://vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=8 … &menustate=28,0

That also says it supports the 875 chipset though I don't see files for it. Guessing it uses the 865 ones?

The driver that Intel still has easily availabe that lists windows 98 - 8.3.1.1009 does not actually support anything below Windows 2000.

Edit: found an even newer Intel chipset driver with Windows 98 support - 6.3.1.1004 - dated 4-18-2005.
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/911 … 6-3-1-1004-EXE-

infinst_enu_6.3.1.1004.exe

For Win98SE would I be able to use a 7900 or 8800, or are the ram limits going to prevent that? With the hacked version of Win98SE should I be able to ram limit to 256MB and still use a 512mb video card? Is 8800 possible at all? (drivers?) Yes I realize I'm brainstorming out loud 😀

Reply 17 of 27, by agent_x007

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1) You can't use 3D part of 8000 series under Win98, they work only under "VGA compatible" driver.
2) Biggest problem with RAM is Windows installer.
Just put 1GB of RAM or less for installation to go smoothly, and after that is completed :
1) Edit config.sys
2) add himemx to bypass RAM limit without breaking installation.

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Reply 18 of 27, by cyclone3d

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Ponjiayulady wrote:

I found this : Chipset: INF Update Utility for 848, 865, 875, 910, 915, 925 Chipset-Based Intel Desktop Boards
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/147 … ds?product=2631

Chipset driver for 925 chipset on win98

That is the NON-Win9x compatible driver that I noted Intel has incorrectly listed as being Win9x compatible. If you download it and extract the files, it is very easy to see that there is no Win9x support.

See my post a bit up from your that lists the very last 2 Intel driver sets that officially support Win9x.

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Reply 19 of 27, by cyclone3d

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TimWolf wrote:

For Win98SE would I be able to use a 7900 or 8800, or are the ram limits going to prevent that? With the hacked version of Win98SE should I be able to ram limit to 256MB and still use a 512mb video card? Is 8800 possible at all? (drivers?) Yes I realize I'm brainstorming out loud 😀

8xxx series has not been verified to work. I have a couple of the 320MB GTS cards but haven't verified whether they will work or not. My current thoughts are no.

The modified drivers are only meant to support the G80 series.. the G92 series of 8xxx and 9xxx cards will definitely not work.

I also have a Quadro version of the 7900 series that has 1GB RAM. This is to double check my original theory that Win98 has issues with video cards with more than 512MB.

7900GTX works fine with the modified drivers.

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Yamaha XG repository
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