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486 Multimedia dream build ( 1993/94 ).

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Reply 63 of 78, by Intel486dx33

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LewisRaz wrote on 2020-05-02, 10:13:

I was just looking at the GPU to put into my dx4-100 machine if I rebuild it. Would like to hear your thoughts on it. (My only other options are ISA)

Yes, for a VLB motherboard the Cirrus Logic 5428 or 5429 perform almost identical.
Just find one with 2mb.

Reply 64 of 78, by Intel486dx33

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CoffeeOne wrote on 2020-05-02, 10:43:
Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-05-02, 08:08:

I have a NEW video card.

Wow 100MHz DRAM in a vesa local bus card. 😁

Good catch, i just noticed that. What speed dram would works better in a VLB motherboard ?
It is Mega Hertz and Nano-seconds.

Reply 65 of 78, by CoffeeOne

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-05-02, 11:59:
CoffeeOne wrote on 2020-05-02, 10:43:
Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-05-02, 08:08:

I have a NEW video card.

Wow 100MHz DRAM in a vesa local bus card. 😁

Good catch, i just noticed that. What speed dram would works better in a VLB motherboard ?

Higher speed would not be a problem.
Did you put in the RAM by yourself?
Does the card work?
Will it detect 1MB or 2MB?
When it works and detects 2 MB, we don't need to discuss any further, everything is fine.

I expect that this card needs "normal" DRAM, but the 100MHz ones could be EDO DRAM (I think such ram was used on Voodoo2 graphics cards). I am too lazy to google it.

Reply 66 of 78, by Intel486dx33

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I have a box full of NEW unused IBM subscription demo software to play with.

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Reply 67 of 78, by Intel486dx33

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SirNickity wrote on 2020-02-04, 19:08:

The Pro is probably the best DOS card (or best standard, if you prefer to go off-brand), since it can do regular SB just fine. As mentioned above, by myself and Warlord, there's not much benefit to 16/44.1 in DOS. Nothing uses it. If you want to run multimedia Windows apps, then you can take advantage of it. But only for short sound effects that fit on 1993 hard drives. Even CD-ROM games would usually have 8-bit 22kHz stereo audio at best.

I guess you could upsample MODs in your favorite tracker. Not sure it makes that big of a difference though.

I was getting some noise and static from the sound blaster pro so I REM out the lines in autoexec.bat that load all the sound blaster apps.
Now I have a clean sounding computer. No more noise.

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Reply 68 of 78, by darry

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Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-05-28, 02:09:
SirNickity wrote on 2020-02-04, 19:08:

The Pro is probably the best DOS card (or best standard, if you prefer to go off-brand), since it can do regular SB just fine. As mentioned above, by myself and Warlord, there's not much benefit to 16/44.1 in DOS. Nothing uses it. If you want to run multimedia Windows apps, then you can take advantage of it. But only for short sound effects that fit on 1993 hard drives. Even CD-ROM games would usually have 8-bit 22kHz stereo audio at best.

I guess you could upsample MODs in your favorite tracker. Not sure it makes that big of a difference though.

I was getting some noise and static from the sound blaster pro so I REM out the lines in autoexec.bat that load all the sound blaster apps.
Now I have a clean sounding computer. No more noise.

The /m:12 and /cd:12 options passed to sbp-set were enabling the microphone and CD input . That's where your noise was coming from .

Reply 69 of 78, by appiah4

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Yeah your mixer was set up to enable, at high volume, the two inputs that pick up the most static..

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Reply 71 of 78, by Intel486dx33

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darry wrote on 2020-05-28, 03:42:

The /m:12 and /cd:12 options passed to sbp-set were enabling the microphone and CD input . That's where your noise was coming from .

These parameters were put in by default installation.
I also needed to FREE up convention memory and these Apps were eating up memory.

Reply 72 of 78, by Intel486dx33

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Pheeewww....The video card I purchased from eBay over 2 months ago finally arrived. The pandemic shut down shipping from europe so it took a long time to arrive. I popped it in and it works great.

Now I am all finished with this build of my ultimate 486 dream build.

Reply 73 of 78, by Intel486dx33

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pico1180 wrote on 2020-01-25, 03:41:

very nice case. for the low, low price of $300 i too could have one from eBay. i almost pooped myself when i saw the price.

Yeah, computers where very expensive back before Windows 95. That’s why I don’t understand too much why young people today complain.
They have really good computers today for not too much money.

Reply 74 of 78, by Anonymous Coward

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Yes and no.
Modern computers are indeed much faster, but the quality stinks and the software sucks....unless you're into 3D murder simulators. Modern internet sucks too.
I'd much rather relive the golden era than present day in which everything is targeted towards normaltards and everything is controlled by 3 companies.

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Reply 75 of 78, by Intel486dx33

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Anonymous Coward wrote on 2020-07-31, 05:19:

Yes and no.
Modern computers are indeed much faster, but the quality stinks and the software sucks....unless you're into 3D murder simulators. Modern internet sucks too.
I'd much rather relive the golden era than present day in which everything is targeted towards normaltards and everything is controlled by 3 companies.

Yes, there was allot of computer builders and hardware manufactures back in early 1990’s.
i think Microsoft and Intel ( win-tel ) destroyed the computer market with the 1st gen Pentium and Win-95 and Win NT4.0.
Cheap inexpensive easy to use computers put the UNIX companies out of business and Novell too.

Reply 76 of 78, by Intel486dx33

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I have this working with only 3 megabytes of memory.
Works great in DOS and Windows 3.11. But when I load Windows 3.11 it uses 20 megabytes of memory.

So back when the first 486 multimedia computers came out in 1993 manufactures where selling this.

486dx-33
4mb ram
VGA video card
2x CD-ROM drive
Sound blaster 16 or compatible sound card.
DOS 6.22 and Win-3.11

Which would have been fine for DOS but I dont know about Win-3.11 ?
Maybe 8 megabytes of ram would have been better for Win-3.11

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Reply 78 of 78, by Intel486dx33

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jmarsh wrote on 2020-08-10, 06:22:

It's not "using" it. Windows claims the memory so it can allocate it to programs when needed.

Yeah, that's the way I see it. What good is memory of the computer is NOT using it ?