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Reply 20 of 48, by PC-Engineer

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The Radeon 8500 @275MHz takes the most advantage from the higher Clock to the GF3 Ti500 @250MHz. The performance relevant features (shaders and pipes) are nearly equal. But your 8500DV runs normally @200MHz. So a GF3 should be faster.

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Reply 21 of 48, by God Of Gaming

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yes, I am aware that my 8500dv is weaker than gf3, but I don't currently own a gf3, and Im of course on the lookout for one, but even more so, I am looking for 275mhz 8500... why are they so rare dammit

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Reply 22 of 48, by PC-Engineer

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You can try to overclock a 250MHz version with 4ns RAM to 275MHz. In the most cases you should be successful. There are some 250MHz cards with 3.6ns RAM which should surely fit the 275MHz.

Ahh, and currently in ebay germany is a Powercolor (AR2TD-B3) 8500 @275MHz for 60€. A good price in my opinion.

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Reply 23 of 48, by God Of Gaming

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I noticed it, and honestly I think the price is perhaps just a bit too much, especially since it seems to be a weird revision with 275mhz core but only 250mhz memory (sauce: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33646274 - 2nd post: "and AR2TD-B3L is 275/250"), also its a 64mb card, I really want a 128mb 275mhz 8500, since Im gonna play at 1600x1200, the extra vram will surely help. Which versions of the 8500 even have 128mb vram? Seems to be just the all-in-wonder 8500 (not DV) and the hercules 8500?

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Reply 25 of 48, by God Of Gaming

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Some ebay stuff got delivered today, among them an ati radeon 8500 64mb with hopefully the full 275mhz clocks. Also I'm not so sure if thats the fastest 2001 gpu anymore, Phil's benchmarks found it to be, but Im not sure what driver he used for the GF3, we all know later drivers make it slower. I managed to find a reasonably cheap Ti500 and I'm waiting for its delivery as well, I'll try to compare them for myself and whichever I find to be the fastest goes into the build

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Reply 29 of 48, by God Of Gaming

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yes, which wasn't a problem as I can just tie an 80-120mm fan to the card that will cover all the heatsinks.... the problem is that I tested it just now, and it's a dud 🙁 seems to be shorting something because PC won't power on while this card is inserted 🙁

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Reply 31 of 48, by zPacKRat

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PC-Engineer wrote on 2020-06-04, 18:35:

You can try to overclock a 250MHz version with 4ns RAM to 275MHz. In the most cases you should be successful. There are some 250MHz cards with 3.6ns RAM which should surely fit the 275MHz.

Ahh, and currently in ebay germany is a Powercolor (AR2TD-B3) 8500 @275MHz for 60€. A good price in my opinion.

This 100%, that's what I did with my LE back in the day.

Reply 32 of 48, by Con 2 botones

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God Of Gaming wrote on 2020-07-14, 08:50:
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Some ebay stuff got delivered today, among them an ati radeon 8500 64mb with hopefully the full 275mhz clocks. Also I'm not so sure if thats the fastest 2001 gpu anymore, Phil's benchmarks found it to be, but Im not sure what driver he used for the GF3, we all know later drivers make it slower. I managed to find a reasonably cheap Ti500 and I'm waiting for its delivery as well, I'll try to compare them for myself and whichever I find to be the fastest goes into the build

Did you manage to make the GF3 work again? and if so, what were the comparison results?

Reply 33 of 48, by God Of Gaming

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I gave it to a friend that works in electronics repair service and knows his stuff... Seems like he can't fix it, says "it has a giant short on the card's 3.3v power rail, it gonna need something BIG to burn trough it. Probably something in-between the PCB layers. 10 amps from my bench power supply weren't enough to even get it warm. Might work with a car battery, but it will probably kill the rest of the card as well"

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Reply 35 of 48, by Con 2 botones

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God Of Gaming wrote on 2020-08-28, 15:30:

I gave it to a friend that works in electronics repair service and knows his stuff... Seems like he can't fix it, says "it has a giant short on the card's 3.3v power rail, it gonna need something BIG to burn trough it. Probably something in-between the PCB layers. 10 amps from my bench power supply weren't enough to even get it warm. Might work with a car battery, but it will probably kill the rest of the card as well"

What a pitty.
Still, you are lucky to have a friend capable of those kind of repairs.
I´ve got two cards (Voodoo 3 3000 and GF4 ti 4400) displaying artifacts that I´d like to have repaired, no one with the needed skills around.

Reply 36 of 48, by God Of Gaming

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voodoo3 is unlikely to suffer gpu chip failures, not using ball grid aray like newer cards, so probably some of the memory chips need replacing, a rather complex operation still

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Reply 37 of 48, by Delerium

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God Of Gaming wrote on 2020-05-24, 05:37:

idk, the way I research for dates is look for reviews on google, and check which one is dated the oldest, and for the ATC-201 the oldest review I found was from january 2001. BTW I've found revision 2 of the case which came out later, too.. Oh, and I'm currently following an auction for ATC-200, that I wanna take for the dream 2000 pc project. Ideally I also want ATC-100 for dream 1999 pc project, but I've never seen ATC-100 for sale, ever, its probably unobtanium. Talking of unobtanium, I decided on which would be the ultimate 2001 motherboard - Tyan Tiger MP (S2460) - amd 760MP chipset, dual socket A 😀 Obtaining it for a reasonable price will be hard, so I'll build the system with the tusl2-c or kt7a-raid for now to get it going, and upgrade it to the Tiger when (if) I ever obtain one

I found a brand new a few years ago for my AMD Athlon 1 Ghz Slot A build with 3dfx Voodoo5 5500.

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Reply 39 of 48, by Delerium

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nd22 wrote on 2020-05-20, 08:04:
I think the best platform in 2001 would be AMD760 . Athlon T-bird and DDR make for a perfect match. IMHO SDRAM is limiting the t […]
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I think the best platform in 2001 would be AMD760 . Athlon T-bird and DDR make for a perfect match. IMHO SDRAM is limiting the true potential of the Athlon.
The 2001 dream PC would be something along the lines:
Abit KG7-raid
Athlon 1400
512 or 1024mb of DDRAM depending on the operating system you want to use.
Geforce4 ti4600
Maxtor single platter hard drive or something similar.

VIA KT266A is faster than the AMD 760.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/822/5

And I think the ASUS A7V266-E is one of the best motherboards with that chipset.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/870/22