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First post, by ildonaldo

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Due to Covid-19 I advanced some of my retro projects that I've planned for the next winter season 😉

Please find here my 1998 rebuild:
Board: MSI MS6119 Ver. 1.1 (1998)
CPU: Pentium II, 400MHz, with Intel cooler (1998)
RAM: 128MB, Mo SDRAM PC100, Hyundai GMM26416233ENT
2D-Grafik: Matrox G200A, 8MB (1998)
3D-Grafik: SLI 2x Voodoo 2, Creative Labs CT6670, 2x12MB (1998)
Sound: SB 128 PCI, CT4700 (1998)
HDD: 6,4gb IDE, IBM DTTA-350640 (1998)
ODD: DSR-520H DVD-ROM (5,2X/32X), DVS Korea Co. (Feb. 1999)
FDD: 1.44 MB 3.5", D359T7, Newtronics Mitsumi
Case: NoName ATX (ca. 199x)
PSU: ATX 380W, Seasonic SS-380GB Active PFC F3
OS: Windows 98SE (incl. Updates)

Honestly, this isn't my most favoured Retro-build because I've never got friends with 3dfx before the Voodoo 3 as single card solution came out.
There was always, due to the Loop-through, this loss in video quality.
Working in grapic business, despite of the good 3D performace, this was always a no go for me.

best wishes & stay well

ildonaldo

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PC #1: AMD 486DX2-80/UMC 8881/16MB SIMM/S3 Trio64V+/1.44/1GB HDD/ODD/DOS+Win3.1
PC #2: IDT W2A-200/SIS 5571/128MB SD/Millenium II+m3d/2.88+1.2 FDD/1GB HDD/ODD/Win95
PC #3: AthlonXP 3200+/nForce2-400/2GB-400 DDR1/9800Pro/ZIP 750/200GB HDD/ODD/WIN XP SP3

Reply 1 of 15, by Joseph_Joestar

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That looks awesome, except for the SB128. It's a bad card overall, with software EAX and some of the worst FM Synthesis in existence.

The Sound Blaster Live was released in late '98 so you can use one of those and still stay period-correct. It's a huge improvement over the SB128 in all aspects.

Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
OPL3 vs. CQM vs. SBLive emulated FM synth
OPTi 82C930 review

Reply 3 of 15, by wirerogue

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i like it.
i would definitely utilize the front fan mount. looks like an 80mm.
not sure exactly what seasonic power supply that is but, your entire system is only going to draw about 100 watts so that psu fan might not even turn on.

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Reply 5 of 15, by foil_fresh

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The SB128 might be a bad FM card but it's General MIDI from within windows is decent so it's not too awful. I've had crystal sound cards that suck doing everything 😜

Pentium MMX 166MHz / Shuttle HOT591-p / S3 Virge DX / SB 16
Pentium II 266MHz / Lucky-Star 6ABX2V / Riva128 / AWE64 / AW744L
Pentium III 950 MHz / SY-7VBA / Voodoo 3000 / Aureal Vortex 2
Pentium IV 3.4GHz/ GA-8S655FX / Geforce 6800 GT / Audigy

Reply 6 of 15, by ildonaldo

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wirerogue wrote on 2020-06-11, 23:02:

not sure exactly what seasonic power supply that is but, your entire system is only going to draw about 100 watts so that psu fan might not even turn on.

The PSU was just at hand when I built it.
I always try (if possible and not too costly) to stay in period with the hardware except for the PSU - I wouldn't like to use one of this firecrackers that were sold back then.

PC #1: AMD 486DX2-80/UMC 8881/16MB SIMM/S3 Trio64V+/1.44/1GB HDD/ODD/DOS+Win3.1
PC #2: IDT W2A-200/SIS 5571/128MB SD/Millenium II+m3d/2.88+1.2 FDD/1GB HDD/ODD/Win95
PC #3: AthlonXP 3200+/nForce2-400/2GB-400 DDR1/9800Pro/ZIP 750/200GB HDD/ODD/WIN XP SP3

Reply 7 of 15, by ildonaldo

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foil_fresh wrote on 2020-06-12, 05:06:

The SB128 might be a bad FM card but it's General MIDI from within windows is decent so it's not too awful. I've had crystal sound cards that suck doing everything 😜

Thank you, the card is only intended for windows.
If I play games that need OPL3 support than I use either my 486 or the Pentium clone.

PC #1: AMD 486DX2-80/UMC 8881/16MB SIMM/S3 Trio64V+/1.44/1GB HDD/ODD/DOS+Win3.1
PC #2: IDT W2A-200/SIS 5571/128MB SD/Millenium II+m3d/2.88+1.2 FDD/1GB HDD/ODD/Win95
PC #3: AthlonXP 3200+/nForce2-400/2GB-400 DDR1/9800Pro/ZIP 750/200GB HDD/ODD/WIN XP SP3

Reply 8 of 15, by Joseph_Joestar

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foil_fresh wrote on 2020-06-12, 05:06:

The SB128 might be a bad FM card but it's General MIDI from within windows is decent so it's not too awful. I've had crystal sound cards that suck doing everything 😜

Those ECW sets that the SB128 uses for General MIDI sound very bland to me, even with the 8 MB version. With a SBLive, you can use proper soundfonts and get something that sounds reasonably close to a Roland SC-55.

Other than that, the software EAX that the SB128 uses sounds different from the hardware EAX on a SBLive. The software EAX also taxes the CPU more which can make a difference in demanding games. Source: I own both cards and have used the SB128 for 5 years during my youth.

Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
OPL3 vs. CQM vs. SBLive emulated FM synth
OPTi 82C930 review

Reply 9 of 15, by ildonaldo

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2020-06-11, 20:05:

The Sound Blaster Live was released in late '98 so you can use one of those and still stay period-correct. It's a huge improvement over the SB128 in all aspects.

Which model ( CTxxxx) are you referring to?
If I go on the hunt I'd like to know which pray to look for 😀

PC #1: AMD 486DX2-80/UMC 8881/16MB SIMM/S3 Trio64V+/1.44/1GB HDD/ODD/DOS+Win3.1
PC #2: IDT W2A-200/SIS 5571/128MB SD/Millenium II+m3d/2.88+1.2 FDD/1GB HDD/ODD/Win95
PC #3: AthlonXP 3200+/nForce2-400/2GB-400 DDR1/9800Pro/ZIP 750/200GB HDD/ODD/WIN XP SP3

Reply 10 of 15, by Joseph_Joestar

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ildonaldo wrote on 2020-06-12, 10:28:

Which model ( CTxxxx) are you referring to?
If I go on the hunt I'd like to know which pray to look for 😀

If I remember correctly, the original SBLive (CT4620) was released in August of 1998 (see this review) while the Value version (CT4670) came out in October of the same year.

You might want to double check those model numbers with other people to be sure. Also, see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_Live!#Models

Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
OPL3 vs. CQM vs. SBLive emulated FM synth
OPTi 82C930 review

Reply 11 of 15, by chinny22

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Jan 98 when when I got my first PC , up till then I was using the family DX2/66

Had a $3000 AUD budget and this is what I got:
P2 400
64MB Ram
Onboard SB64 PCI
10GB HDD
32x CD-ROM

A friend strongly recommended upgrading to the graphics to a 16MB TNT. It was cheaper then going Voodoo 2
a SB Live was high on my want list but didn't get the Live! value till the following year.

So depending on what other systems you ave planned the 128 PCI may still be a more correct choice, you do miss out on EAX though.

Reply 12 of 15, by ildonaldo

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I have been able to get a CT4620 with the CT4660 extension board cheap.
It should arrive in a few days.

And according to soundblaster.com it should be in period for my 1998 build.

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PC #1: AMD 486DX2-80/UMC 8881/16MB SIMM/S3 Trio64V+/1.44/1GB HDD/ODD/DOS+Win3.1
PC #2: IDT W2A-200/SIS 5571/128MB SD/Millenium II+m3d/2.88+1.2 FDD/1GB HDD/ODD/Win95
PC #3: AthlonXP 3200+/nForce2-400/2GB-400 DDR1/9800Pro/ZIP 750/200GB HDD/ODD/WIN XP SP3

Reply 13 of 15, by Joseph_Joestar

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ildonaldo wrote on 2020-06-17, 15:13:

I have been able to get a CT4620 with the CT4660 extension board cheap.

Very nice! I love the gold plated connectors on that model.

If you want to play around with soundfonts in DOS games, try using the Audigy drivers on it.

Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
OPL3 vs. CQM vs. SBLive emulated FM synth
OPTi 82C930 review

Reply 15 of 15, by ildonaldo

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Finally I've found some time to update the Hardware with the new Soundcard, PSU and a 80mm case fan.
Everything runs fine 😀

Board: MSI MS6119 Ver. 1.1 (1998)
CPU: Pentium II, 400MHz, with Intel cooler (1998)
RAM: 128MB, Mo SDRAM PC100, Hyundai GMM26416233ENT
2D-Grafik: Matrox G200A, 8MB (1998)
3D-Grafik: SLI 2x Voodoo 2, Creative Labs CT6670, 2x12MB (1998)
Sound: Sound Blaster Live! Gold CT4620 & CT4660, PCI (1998)
HDD: 6,4gb IDE, IBM DTTA-350640 (1998)
ODD: DSR-520H DVD-ROM (5,2X/32X), DVS Korea Co. (Feb. 1999)
FDD: 1.44 MB 3.5", D359T7, Newtronics Mitsumi
Case: NoName ATX (ca. 199x)
Case fan: 1x 80mm Lüfter (Cooler Master A8025-21CB-3BN-P1)
PSU: be quiet! PURE POWER BQT L7-350W ATX
OS: Windows 98SE (incl. Updates)

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PC #1: AMD 486DX2-80/UMC 8881/16MB SIMM/S3 Trio64V+/1.44/1GB HDD/ODD/DOS+Win3.1
PC #2: IDT W2A-200/SIS 5571/128MB SD/Millenium II+m3d/2.88+1.2 FDD/1GB HDD/ODD/Win95
PC #3: AthlonXP 3200+/nForce2-400/2GB-400 DDR1/9800Pro/ZIP 750/200GB HDD/ODD/WIN XP SP3