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Reply 40 of 46, by Joseph_Joestar

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I was using my MSI GeForce4 Ti4200 which normally sits in this system while running some tests on my upcoming socket 754 build (Athlon64 3000+ on an Asus K8V-MX). It surprised me how much better the card performed on that platform.

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In 640x480 using 32-bit colors, the socket 754 system runs Quake 2 at twice the frame rate compared to this AthlonXP rig. Again, this is with the same Ti4200 card. The difference gets smaller as the resolution goes up, but it's still quite noticeable. Pretty interesting.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / OPTi 82C930 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 1700+ / Abit KT7A / Voodoo3 / SBLive / Vortex2
PC#3: Athlon64 3400+ / Asus K8V-MX / 5900XT / Audigy1
PC#4: i5-3550P / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 650Ti / X-Fi

Reply 41 of 46, by melbar

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2022-01-15, 11:35:

Using the SoftMenu section of the BIOS of my Abit KT7A motherboard, I can freely adjust the CPU multiplier. Among other things, this allows me to downclock the CPU to 500 MHz. This is useful when dealing with speed sensitive games.

Interesting!!!
Your combination of KT7A + Thoroughbred is able to boot with the 5x multiplier.

My system (KT7 + Thunderbird) is able to boot with 5,5x only as lowest setting.
I don't really know the reason behind...?

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Reply 42 of 46, by Joseph_Joestar

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melbar wrote on 2022-05-05, 18:22:

My system (KT7 + Thunderbird) is able to boot with 5,5x only as lowest setting.
I don't really know the reason behind...?

Not sure, maybe your CPU doesn't support multipliers lower than 5.5x. Or this could have something to do with the motherboard revision or the BIOS version that you're using.

My KT7A is revision 1.0 and I'm using the latest official BIOS for it (A9). If I remember correctly, some unofficial BIOS versions replace the 5x multiplier with a higher value to allow for faster, more modern CPUs to be used.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / OPTi 82C930 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 1700+ / Abit KT7A / Voodoo3 / SBLive / Vortex2
PC#3: Athlon64 3400+ / Asus K8V-MX / 5900XT / Audigy1
PC#4: i5-3550P / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 650Ti / X-Fi

Reply 43 of 46, by Joseph_Joestar

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The MSI GeForce4 which was in this build started artifacting recently. It might have been triggered by a power failure or possibly the card was not in the best shape to begin with. I did use a slightly higher I/O voltage (3.6V) while running the CPU at 1466 MHz since the system was unstable otherwise, so that may have had something to do with it too. I have since downclocked the CPU back to 1250 MHz (12.5x100) and returned the I/O voltage to normal levels. With all that in mind, I have decided to repurpose this system as a Glide and A3D 2.0 gaming rig.

Previously, I often found myself moving the Voodoo3 from my Celeron rig to this system when I wanted to play more demanding Glide games such as Deus Ex and Diablo 2. Since I now have an Athlon64 rig for heavy duty Win9x gaming, I've decided to permanently move the Voodoo3 here. Interestingly, an additional setting called "Geometry Assist" appears in the drivers when that card is used with this CPU. I imagine this is some form of compensation for the lack of T&L.

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And while I had a Turtle Beach Montego II for quite a while, I could never decide on a permanent home for it. Now, it will remain in this rig and be at my disposal whenever I'm in the mood for some A3D 2.0 gaming. Also, since I moved my nice looking Audigy front panel to the Athlon64 rig, I had to use the newly acquired yellowed one here. It works just fine, but looks kinda bad. I might consider retrobriting it at some point.

Lastly, I also did some additional cable management, just to get stuff out of the way in order to improve the airflow. The plan is to get a PCI fan bracket and place it below the Voodoo3 and also to install an intake fan to the front of the case.

P.S.

My mini reviews of the GeForce4 and the Avance Logic ALS100 can be found below, if anyone still wants to read that.

Mini reviews

Graphics card

The GeForce4 Ti4200 is a very capable card, and it allows me to run the vast majority of Win9x games in 1280x1024 at 60+ FPS. Maxing out Anti Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering is possible for some older games (e.g. Tomb Raider 2) but for newer ones, I need to keep these at lower values. Since my particular Ti4200 is of the AGP 8x variety, the earliest Win9x driver version that it can reliably use is 40.72.

This card is also very fast in DOS providing superb performance in late-era, hi-res games like Quake and Tomb Raider. When I want to play those games in software mode I run FASTVID beforehand to further improve the frame rate.

Avance Logic ALS100

The ALS100 is basically a SB16 without any of the bugs that plague Creative's SB16 cards. I should note that this is the original ALS100, not the plus version, which means that it has proper support for High DMA and works perfectly in all Build engine games. It also supports ADPCM, so games like Duke Nukem 2 will work fine. On the model that I'm using, FM synth is provided by a 1:1 copy of the Yamaha YMF262-M and sounds identical to the real thing (see music samples below).

Lastly, the ALS100 also has proper SBPro stereo compatibility, which matters for games like Aladdin. As far as resources are concerned, the ALS100 is set up to use A220 I5 D1 H5 T6. In terms of compatibility, from 30+ DOS games that I've tried, not a single one had any problems with it. On the down side, this card is fairly noisy, even with all the mixer settings finely tuned.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / OPTi 82C930 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 1700+ / Abit KT7A / Voodoo3 / SBLive / Vortex2
PC#3: Athlon64 3400+ / Asus K8V-MX / 5900XT / Audigy1
PC#4: i5-3550P / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 650Ti / X-Fi

Reply 45 of 46, by Joseph_Joestar

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chrismeyer6 wrote on 2022-05-10, 19:56:

I like the changes you made to this system. It'll make a great Glide gaming system. You should be able to run your games at max settings.

Cheers! The AthlonXP does draw out the full power of the Voodoo3, but maxing out everything is possible only up to the 800x600 resolution, as evidenced by the benchmarks. Still, paired with a CRT monitor that works well enough.

Of course, older and less demanding games can use higher resolutions as well, if they support them.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / OPTi 82C930 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 1700+ / Abit KT7A / Voodoo3 / SBLive / Vortex2
PC#3: Athlon64 3400+ / Asus K8V-MX / 5900XT / Audigy1
PC#4: i5-3550P / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 650Ti / X-Fi

Reply 46 of 46, by Joseph_Joestar

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Added a SPDIF out bracket to my Turtle Beach Montego II, thanks to some tips from @ZanQuance. The process is a bit complicated, but if anyone's curious, I have described it in full detail here.

I have also uploaded some music samples that were recorded via SPDIF out:

Lastly, I can now connect the SPDIF OUT port of my Montego II to the SPDIF IN port of my LiveDrive front panel and use both cards at the same time without introducing any extra noise into the system.

PC#1: Pentium MMX 166 / Soyo SY-5BT / S3 Trio64V+ / Voodoo1 / OPTi 82C930 / AWE64 Gold / SC-155
PC#2: AthlonXP 1700+ / Abit KT7A / Voodoo3 / SBLive / Vortex2
PC#3: Athlon64 3400+ / Asus K8V-MX / 5900XT / Audigy1
PC#4: i5-3550P / MSI Z77A-G43 / GTX 650Ti / X-Fi