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Reply 20 of 30, by Joseph_Joestar

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Tali wrote on 2020-07-20, 11:35:

Since I'm no true audiophile (if there is such a thing), I'm not entirely sure I can explain in correct terms what I mean, but it sounds simply "dead" to me (as in opposite of "alive").

I think I sort of understand. Different people are able to discern different things when it comes to sound. I was never much of an audiophile myself, and I'm also using a simple pair of Logitech 2.1 speakers for DOS gaming, so it might not be that apparent to me.

On the other hand, I can immediately recognize the difference between 8-bit and 16-bit sound samples in late-era DOS games like Master of Orion 2. Maybe it's because I had a SB16 as a kid, but using SBPro in such games just doesn't sound right to me.

Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive
OPTi 82C930 review

Reply 21 of 30, by cyclone3d

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The KT7A boards can even run up to around 2.3Ghz or so with the 2800+ Barton mobile CPU with the modified BIOS and the socket wire mod to give you access to the higher multipliers. But then you lose the lower multipliers.

Yamaha YMF modified setupds and drivers
Yamaha XG resource repository - updated November 27, 2018
Yamaha YMF7x4 Guide
AW744L II - YMF744 - AOpen Cobra Sound Card - Install SB-Link Header
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Reply 22 of 30, by Joseph_Joestar

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cyclone3d wrote on 2020-07-21, 00:25:

The KT7A boards can even run up to around 2.3Ghz or so with the 2800+ Barton mobile CPU with the modified BIOS and the socket wire mod to give you access to the higher multipliers.

Are you sure this applies to my revision 1.0 KT7A as well? It won't even POST when I set it to 11x133 through SoftMenu, even though that's the default multiplier for my 1700+ CPU.

But then you lose the lower multipliers.

Yeah, one of the reasons I'm weary of using a modified BIOS is because I would no longer be able to run the CPU at 5x100. Downclocking to that is handy for a bunch of stuff, including some Win9x speed sensitive games.

Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive
OPTi 82C930 review

Reply 23 of 30, by Repo Man11

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Here's an old classic thread: https://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthrea … g-at-2-3GHz-now!

I still had a couple of good, working KT7E motherboards in my stash ( at one time I used Xp2100s in them and had them set up as computers to look up parts at work), but they burned up along with everything else. When I catch myself wishing for some bit of hardware I got rid of as ewaste years ago, I remind myself that if I hadn't gotten rid of it then, the Camp Fire would have done it for me.

Reply 24 of 30, by cyclone3d

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Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2020-07-21, 03:32:
Are you sure this applies to my revision 1.0 KT7A as well? It won't even POST when I set it to 11x133 through SoftMenu, even tho […]
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cyclone3d wrote on 2020-07-21, 00:25:

The KT7A boards can even run up to around 2.3Ghz or so with the 2800+ Barton mobile CPU with the modified BIOS and the socket wire mod to give you access to the higher multipliers.

Are you sure this applies to my revision 1.0 KT7A as well? It won't even POST when I set it to 11x133 through SoftMenu, even though that's the default multiplier for my 1700+ CPU.

But then you lose the lower multipliers.

Yeah, one of the reasons I'm weary of using a modified BIOS is because I would no longer be able to run the CPU at 5x100. Downclocking to that is handy for a bunch of stuff, including some Win9x speed sensitive games.

The board I have is version 1.1. Have you ever replaced the capacitors on your board? The one I had back when they were still sold in stores had an unfortunate accident when I tightened down a homemade waterblock too much and the board died.

The one I have now was NOS when I bought it a few years ago and the first time I powered it up, a few of the capacitors exploded. After replacing the capacitors it worked fine. You could have bad capacitors which would explain why it won't work at the default speed for your CPU.

What power supply are you using?

Yamaha YMF modified setupds and drivers
Yamaha XG resource repository - updated November 27, 2018
Yamaha YMF7x4 Guide
AW744L II - YMF744 - AOpen Cobra Sound Card - Install SB-Link Header
Epstein didn't kill himself

Reply 25 of 30, by Joseph_Joestar

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2020-07-21, 04:35:

Thanks!

Lots of interesting experiences in that thread. I'll take a detailed look when I have more time.

Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive
OPTi 82C930 review

Reply 26 of 30, by Joseph_Joestar

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cyclone3d wrote on 2020-07-21, 06:44:

Have you ever replaced the capacitors on your board?

Not yet, since I'm not skilled enough to do that myself. I do intend on doing it when I find a good service technician locally, since I want to recap a couple of sound cards as well.

For what it's worth, the board caps look normal visually (no bloating etc.) but who knows what's going on inside after almost 20 years.

What power supply are you using?

Right now, an AOpen 350W PSU from the early 2000s. It could very well be that it is on its last legs too, so I do intend to replace it. I'm not sure which modern PSUs can handle the 5V requirements of an AthlonXP though.

Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive
OPTi 82C930 review

Reply 27 of 30, by chinny22

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So that motherboard usd to be your daily driver form many years ago. Thats cool having hardware from your own past is nicer then simply a list of hardware purchased years later.
Most my 9x gaming is done in 2k now. Most games work, its much more stable OS and these fast systems more then make up for any the slight performance hit.
Usually have 98 installed as well for those few games that don't like 2k but more for the dos gaming side of things.

Good point on the Audigy cards as well, never thought about that.
Most my rigs have the ZS, some even with the hacked drivers enabling dos support, pretty much making the Audigy 1 cards pointless.
But yeh if resources are tight then that firewire port is nothing but a burden and if I'm honest I cant really tell the difference in sound quality.

Reply 28 of 30, by Joseph_Joestar

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chinny22 wrote on 2020-07-21, 09:23:

So that motherboard usd to be your daily driver form many years ago. Thats cool having hardware from your own past is nicer then simply a list of hardware purchased years later.

It really is! Just looking at that case brings back memories, even though almost everything inside has been upgraded. For reference, here are the original specs from when I initially bought this computer, sometime in 2001:

  • Athlon Thunderbird 750 MHz
  • Abit KT7A-RAID (revision 1.0)
  • 256 MB RAM
  • GeForce2 MX400 32 MB
  • Sound Blaster 128 PCI CT4810
  • Sony 3.5" floppy drive
  • Maxtor 40 GB HDD
  • Teac 32x CD-ROM
  • Hansol 17" CRT monitor

This is all from memory, so I could be wrong on some of the details. I know for sure that I upgraded the CPU to this AthlonXP 1700+ in early 2003. That's also when I got a Leadtek GeForce 3 Ti200 (which I later sold, sadly), 512 MB RAM and a DVD drive. If I remember correctly, I kept using this rig in that form until mid 2005 when I finally bought a new Socket939 Athlon64 machine. I still have that one too, and I occasionally use it for early WinXP games.

Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive
OPTi 82C930 review

Reply 29 of 30, by Joseph_Joestar

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Finally got a better PSU. It's an LC Power 550W from the early 2000s and claims to deliver 40A on the 5V rail. And sure enough, my AthlonXP 1700+ now effortlessly boots at its proper frequency of 1466 MHz (11x133).

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The only minor issue with this PSU is that it only has one floppy power connector. This probably won't bother most people, but it matters to me because the SBLive front panel needs that connector as well. I've ordered one of those molex to floppy power adapters and hopefully that will do the trick.

Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive
OPTi 82C930 review

Reply 30 of 30, by Joseph_Joestar

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Well, it looks like I found a use case for gaming under Windows 2000 on this rig. I just learned that Splinter Cell has issues on cards newer than a GeForce4.

Originally,I had planned to replay that game on my higher specced WinXP rig, but it looks like I might have to settle for slightly lower framerates and use this build instead. After all, proper shadow rendering is more important than high fps in the stealth genre. I will also swap out the SBLive for an Audigy2 ZS to get EAX3.

Using Audigy drivers with a Sound Blaster Live
Installing DOS drivers on an Audigy2 ZS
OPL3 vs. ESFM vs. CQM vs. SBLive
OPTi 82C930 review