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First post, by candle_86

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So the K6-2 is shelved for now, but I am gonna get to work on my Pentium II setup.

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Intel Pentium II 266 (Wondering if I should swap to my celly 333 or keep it PII dunno)
32mb PC66 Ram
Riva TNT2 M64 cause Riva TNT's are expensive, and M64's basically preform the same
8.4GB HDD
10GB HDD
Intel AL440LX

Using the onboard sound which is a Yamah solution it looks like, though I'm thinking of getting an ISA Sound Card, nothing excessive, either a cheap Vibra 16 or ESS ISA card, something with good dos compatibility without breaking the bank.

Because everyone does 98SE as pointed out in my K6-2 thread, I did 98FE because its diffrent right

Reply 1 of 26, by gerry

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candle_86 wrote on 2022-10-31, 03:00:
So the K6-2 is shelved for now, but I am gonna get to work on my Pentium II setup. […]
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So the K6-2 is shelved for now, but I am gonna get to work on my Pentium II setup.

System Specs
Intel Pentium II 266 (Wondering if I should swap to my celly 333 or keep it PII dunno)
32mb PC66 Ram
Riva TNT2 M64 cause Riva TNT's are expensive, and M64's basically preform the same
8.4GB HDD
10GB HDD
Intel AL440LX

on the cpu, not sure in practice it would make any noticeable difference in terms of software / games but i suppose might be fun to benchmark them!

Reply 2 of 26, by Con 2 botones

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gerry wrote on 2022-10-31, 10:18:
candle_86 wrote on 2022-10-31, 03:00:
So the K6-2 is shelved for now, but I am gonna get to work on my Pentium II setup. […]
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So the K6-2 is shelved for now, but I am gonna get to work on my Pentium II setup.

System Specs
Intel Pentium II 266 (Wondering if I should swap to my celly 333 or keep it PII dunno)
32mb PC66 Ram
Riva TNT2 M64 cause Riva TNT's are expensive, and M64's basically preform the same
8.4GB HDD
10GB HDD
Intel AL440LX

on the cpu, not sure in practice it would make any noticeable difference in terms of software / games but i suppose might be fun to benchmark them!

Pentium II 266mhz has 512KB cache but running at 66Mhz, Celeron 333Mhz has 128KB cache but running at 333Mhz...benchmarking them would be interesting.

Reply 3 of 26, by Sphere478

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Get a genesis!

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I agree, not sure which between them would be better. The p2 or cellery.

But a slot p3 would be a nice little boost, I think they went to 1ghz?

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But Compuwiz is right! If you want the FASTEST CPU/PERFORMANCE, you cannot beat a 1050Mhz/150FSB! Even if Intel kept their buggy 1.13Ghz/133FSB model, the performance would be below that of a P3 700@1050 (due to the FSB)!!! So in summary, the fastest you will achieve on a slot1 mobo is indeed a P3 700 overclocked to 1050, assuming your components can handle 150Mhz FSB (37.5Mhz PCI bus isn't too bad most of the time).

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Reply 4 of 26, by Bancho

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Regarding the Sound, This board has a YMF-715 which is an onboard ISA Yamaha card with OPL3. I have this board which has the second OPL4 chip. I don't really see the benefit of getting another ISA card when that YMF-715 is excellent for DOS.

Reply 5 of 26, by slivercr

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-10-31, 13:34:
Get a genesis!95F4C3FB-762F-4B58-93DC-19AE60CC85B1.jpeg1E465AF5-0B91-46CD-BC90-648DEFA6A7F7.jpeg […]
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I agree, not sure which between them would be better. The p2 or cellery.

But a slot p3 would be a nice little boost, I think they went to 1ghz?

Dieselman wrote:

But Compuwiz is right! If you want the FASTEST CPU/PERFORMANCE, you cannot beat a 1050Mhz/150FSB! Even if Intel kept their buggy 1.13Ghz/133FSB model, the performance would be below that of a P3 700@1050 (due to the FSB)!!! So in summary, the fastest you will achieve on a slot1 mobo is indeed a P3 700 overclocked to 1050, assuming your components can handle 150Mhz FSB (37.5Mhz PCI bus isn't too bad most of the time).

OP's LX board will not be able to handle 1 GHz.

Personally, I'd go with the 333 Celeron. Being limited to 66MHz FSB, I'd look for the fastest Celeron and pop it in there, it'd make a nice P2 class machine.

As for the sound, I also don't see a lot of benefit in adding an ISA card, unless you want a wavetable header. The onboard ymf715 will be as compatible as it gets.

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Reply 6 of 26, by Irinikus

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That Italian PII’s a pretty cool chip!

It seems to be incredibly rare!

Last edited by Irinikus on 2022-10-31, 15:33. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 8 of 26, by Intel486dx33

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I have an Intel L440gx+ Dual CPU motherboard in my garage I want to build on but I have miss placed the box of CPU’s I have.
They are somewhere in a box in my garage.
I also have an Intel N440bx motherboard I want to build on.

These Intel ATX 440 motherboards were very popular back in late 1990’s.
They were my favorite too.

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Reply 9 of 26, by H3nrik V!

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Con 2 botones wrote on 2022-10-31, 13:24:
gerry wrote on 2022-10-31, 10:18:
candle_86 wrote on 2022-10-31, 03:00:
So the K6-2 is shelved for now, but I am gonna get to work on my Pentium II setup. […]
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So the K6-2 is shelved for now, but I am gonna get to work on my Pentium II setup.

System Specs
Intel Pentium II 266 (Wondering if I should swap to my celly 333 or keep it PII dunno)
32mb PC66 Ram
Riva TNT2 M64 cause Riva TNT's are expensive, and M64's basically preform the same
8.4GB HDD
10GB HDD
Intel AL440LX

on the cpu, not sure in practice it would make any noticeable difference in terms of software / games but i suppose might be fun to benchmark them!

Pentium II 266mhz has 512KB cache but running at 66Mhz, Celeron 333Mhz has 128KB cache but running at 333Mhz...benchmarking them would be interesting.

The cache of the 266 runs at half cpu speed, ie 133 MHz. Which means that in most practical use, an equally clocked Celeron, albeit only a quarter of the cache is pretty much on par in most applications ..

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 10 of 26, by H3nrik V!

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Irinikus wrote on 2022-10-31, 15:24:

That Italian PII’s a pretty cool chip!

It seems to be incredibly rare!

https://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php … 0&highlight=b52

A very interesting article about said B52 CPU

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 11 of 26, by H3nrik V!

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Sphere478 wrote on 2022-10-31, 13:34:

I agree, not sure which between them would be better. The p2 or cellery.

But a slot p3 would be a nice little boost, I think they went to 1ghz?

For 100MHz FSB slot-1, yes 1GHz was the top. With a slotket, 1100 MHz is also an option with 100MHz FSB. Of course, that requires a coppermine and 1GHz capable motherboard. I think there's some different CPUid or something above 800'ish MHz, which not all support even being Coppermine compatible

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Reply 12 of 26, by Sphere478

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Someone around here was modding bioses to support more cpus. I think it was the person doing dual socket 8 slotkets with pentium pros

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Reply 14 of 26, by Sphere478

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🤔 have you looked up your clock gen? Maybe hidden settings? :p

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Sphere’s socket 5/7 cpu collection.
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SUCCESSFUL K6-2+ to K6-3+ Full Cache Enable Mod
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Tyan S1564S to S1564D single to dual processor conversion (also s1563 and s1562)

Reply 15 of 26, by Irinikus

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2022-10-31, 19:14:

https://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php … 0&highlight=b52

A very interesting article about said B52 CPU

Thanks for the link!

As soon as I saw the originally posted picture I ran a search and came across the same article!

There don't seem to be any other references for it on the web, so I suppose that one of these chips would be nearly impossible to acquire!

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Reply 16 of 26, by H3nrik V!

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Irinikus wrote on 2022-11-02, 16:54:
Thanks for the link! […]
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H3nrik V! wrote on 2022-10-31, 19:14:

https://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php … 0&highlight=b52

A very interesting article about said B52 CPU

Thanks for the link!

As soon as I saw the originally posted picture I ran a search and came across the same article!

There don't seem to be any other references for it on the web, so I suppose that one of these chips would be nearly impossible to acquire!

Yeah, probably very limited number "produced"

Please use the "quote" option if asking questions to what I write - it will really up the chances of me noticing 😀

Reply 17 of 26, by Con 2 botones

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2022-10-31, 19:12:
Con 2 botones wrote on 2022-10-31, 13:24:
gerry wrote on 2022-10-31, 10:18:

on the cpu, not sure in practice it would make any noticeable difference in terms of software / games but i suppose might be fun to benchmark them!

Pentium II 266mhz has 512KB cache but running at 66Mhz, Celeron 333Mhz has 128KB cache but running at 333Mhz...benchmarking them would be interesting.

The cache of the 266 runs at half cpu speed, ie 133 MHz. Which means that in most practical use, an equally clocked Celeron, albeit only a quarter of the cache is pretty much on par in most applications ..

You are correct about the cache speed on Pentium II CPUs, my bad.

Reply 19 of 26, by candle_86

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Final specs, I just put it in its final home, where it will live for now, its a pain to pull it out so its gonna stay as it is, but

Celeron 333 because In truth I want a Pentium II 333 but don't have one, and the Celeron is close enough to that preformance
96mb of PC66 3x32mb
Intel AL440LX board
Maxi Gamer Pheonix Voodoo Banshee

Now to enjoy it