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First post, by PcBytes

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Yup. You're reading right. I did a dual CPU build, and love it.
Why a screamer? Let's see:

- 2x 10K RPM drives
- 2x fans that are running at half the RPM of the drives
- enough air to cool the summer
- SCSI drives are helluva loud.

Runs pretty fast! The 10k Raptor helps much on a P3. It surprisingly struggled on a Athlon 64 (no joke, XP felt quite slower than a SATA Hitachi of roughly the same vintage.) but the P3s seem to love it.

Aight. Enough chat. Specs.

MB: MSI 694D Pro-AR
RAM: 1.5GB PC133 SDRAM
CPUs: 2x Pentium 3, Coppermine core, 1GHz each - SL52R both.
HSFs: 2x Titan TTC-D3T coolers
Main HDD: WD Raptor 10K 74GB w/ J-Micron SATA2IDE adapter
Storage HDD: Seagate Cheetah 10K 36GB, model ST336607LW
DVD: TSSTCorp SH-S182D burner that quite needs a new belt...
GPU: Gecube Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB
NIC: Realtek RTL8169SC Fast Gigabit LAN
USB2.0: NEC based PCI card
SCSI: Adaptec AHA-2940UW
OS: Windows XP Pro SP3

I'll be running a few 3d Mark tests soon. I'm in the process of reinstalling XP as of writing this main post - it originally had a 80GB Maxtor I had around, which turned out to be kinda concerning health wise.

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"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 1 of 12, by PcBytes

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And the 3DMark2001SE, as well as the 3DMark2003 results, are in.

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Driver version used is Omega 3.8.221/Catalyst 6.2, as seen in the photo. Card runs at AGP2x at the moment, but I might test AGP4x for stability as well.

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"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 2 of 12, by appiah4

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I love it. I am planning to do the same build with a Radeon 9700PRO.. I need to find a matching Coppermine though, I only have mismatched pairs.

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Reply 3 of 12, by PcBytes

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I'll probably move to a 9700 Pro as well or a 9800 AIW, once I replace the PSU first - the Channel Well unit I use there seems to be at its limits - adding an EasyTV PCI tuner seems to overload it. (and yes, I did test the PCI card elsewhere - it works fine.)

I did think of aiming for a HD series card but the only one available on me is an ASUS AH3450 (HD3450 AGP that can be also turned SFF) and it needs a whole Molex to power.

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 4 of 12, by appiah4

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Channel Well is, as far as I can remember, an OEM producer that produced great units for brands like Corsair, I like their PSUs generally. I am also a fan of FSP for the same reason. People don't rate them highly but I think they are great. I have an FSP Hydro 600W in my Ryzen 5 5600X system and it's perfectly reliable 😀

I actually also have HD 3850 AGP and HD 4650 AGP but these are not very reliable cards in most AGP implementations and I doubt the VIA one will be a preferrable match. 😁

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Reply 5 of 12, by PcBytes

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Yeah, figured the HD series would be a best match for a Prescott rather than dual Coppermines. That's why I'll probably stick to 9700 Pro, 9600XT or a 9800AIW I found on local ads. The 9700 Pro is a Hercules card I own (which surprisingly set me back $2 or so - it was very cheap.) and the 9800AIW seems to be an OEM card.

As for FSPs... yeah, they're good. I don't particularily like their capacitor choices for the DC side of the PSU but otherwise they're okay. The unit I have (ISO-500PP) supposedly says 420W though my guess is it tops somewhere inbetween that and 350W, and the 5v rail might not be strong enough. I do have a similarly rated Seasonic (its original label is inexistent unfortunately. I had to figure out the wattage by checking the fuse amperage) that I didn't try using despite having had a recap done on it.

Finally, funny how both storage drives are 10K, yet only one of them is silent 🤣

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 7 of 12, by PcBytes

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Could be 🤣. It's even more surprising to see it runs at decent speeds given it runs off a SATA-to-IDE adapter.

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 8 of 12, by Bruno128

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I think it's reasonable to use externally powered video card (Voodoo 5 or Radeon 9800) in this build, because you already have more than 60W from 2 CPUs on a 20-pin connector.

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Reply 9 of 12, by appiah4

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Bruno128 wrote on 2024-02-02, 13:02:

I think it's reasonable to use externally powered video card (Voodoo 5 or Radeon 9800) in this build, because you already have more than 60W from 2 CPUs on a 20-pin connector.

Well.. I think the right choice would probably be a Rage Fury MAXX to fit the dual fan madness. It would also be mostly era appropriate 😀

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Reply 10 of 12, by PcBytes

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Pretty sure a Fury MAXX is out of my reach... I do have a 9700 Pro though. I didn't go for the 9800AIW as it seems to be based off the 9800SE.
While I am aware of the 9800SE softmod that Omega can do, I'm not sure if I'm comfortable stressing out a card that has survived by a miracle (knowing how many Radeon 9800s failed.).
The 9700 is w/ me since a few years, and has generally worked well w/ Omega. I might have to bring in the 700W Raidmax tho 🤣

EDIT: Scratch that 🤣, the only one I could get to work with all this stuff is a Seasonic unit 🤣.
EDIT2: Back to the 9600 Pro it is, unfortunately. Trying to run the 9700 results in freezing in games on the P3... a Northwood HT P4 runs them fine crash-free, so it definitely ain't my card at fault.

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 11 of 12, by PcBytes

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Been a while. I have since gotten some updates to it:

- Chieftec 450W PSU (temporary)
- Radeon 9800SE AIW 128MB
- (removed due to Radeon) InnoDV SAA7131 TV Tuner

"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB

Reply 12 of 12, by PcBytes

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Finally got around casing the monster.

Final specs:

- Case: Deepcool Tesseract BF
- MB: MSI 694D Pro-AR
- CPUs: 2x Pentium 3 SL52R, 1GHz/133FSB/256k L2
- RAM: 1.5GB SDRAM, PC133
- HDDs: WD Raptor 74GB 10k (SATA2IDE, bootdrive), Seagate Cheetah 36GB 10k ST336607LW (SCSI, storage drive)
- GPU: Gecube Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB w/ Omega drivers
- LAN: Realtek RTL8169SC Gigabit LAN
- USB2.0: NEC
- SCSI controller: Adaptec AHA-2940UW
- TV Tuner: InnoDV SmartTV PCI w/ SAA7131 chipset
- PSU: Chieftec-Delta 450W (w/ white Gamemax fan)
- ODD: TSSTCorp SH-S182D DVDRW
- OS: XP Pro SP3 VLK

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"Enter at your own peril, past the bolted door..."
Main PC: i5 3470, GB B75M-D3H, 16GB RAM, 2x1TB
98SE : P3 650, Soyo SY-6BA+IV, 384MB RAM, 80GB