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First post, by SieBoi

Posted on 2017-09-02, 22:35

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Hello there fellow.. people,

first of all i gotta say im quite new with dosbox and i got this weird problem.
im using "DOSBox SVN Daum 2015 build(not sure which one)" and i was trying few gui and ui programs. When i try to open a gui program named "GEM" i get an error that says "GEM 3.0 needs 512k or more memory. Execution terminated."

so i look up for ways to expand my memory (all of those ems,xms thingys) but noting helped. After a while checking memory come to my mind(finally) and i see that i actually had more free memory than the program needs yet it didn't work

And i realy don't think this problem is about the program.

My configure is this (i deleted # parts because its out of sites character limit)

1[sdl]
2fullscreen=true
3fulldouble=false
4fullresolution=1920x1080
5windowresolution=original
6output=direct3d
7autolock=true
8sensitivity=100
9waitonerror=true
10priority=higher,normal
11mapperfile=mapper-SVN-Daum.map
12pixelshader=none
13usescancodes=false
14overscan=0
15
16[log]
17logfile=
18vga=true
19vgagfx=true
20vgamisc=true
21int10=true
22sblaster=true
23dma_control=true
24fpu=true
25cpu=true
26paging=true
27fcb=true
28files=true
29ioctl=true
30exec=true
31dosmisc=true
32pit=true
33keyboard=true
34pic=true
35mouse=true
36bios=true
37gui=true
38misc=true
39io=true
40pci=true
41sst=true
42
43[dosbox]
44language=
45machine=svga_s3
46vmemsize=8
47vmemsizekb=0
48captures=capture
49mainline compatible mapping=true
50mainline compatible bios mapping=true
51adapter rom is ram=false
52shell environment size=0
53private area size=32768
54a20=fast
55isa bus clock=std8.3
56pci bus clock=std33.3
57rom bios allocation max=0
58rom bios minimum size=0
59memsize=1024
60memsizekb=0

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61dos mem limit=0
62isa memory hole at 512kb=false
63memalias=0
64vga bios size override=0
65video bios dont duplicate cga first half rom font=false
66video bios always offer 14-pixel high rom font=true
67video bios always offer 16-pixel high rom font=true
68video bios enable cga second half rom font=true
69forcerate=
70sierra ramdac=true
71sierra ramdac lock 565=false
72page flip debug line=false
73vertical retrace poll debug line=false
74cgasnow=true
75allow port 92 reset=true
76enable port 92=true
77enable 1st dma controller=true
78enable 2nd dma controller=true
79allow dma address decrement=true
80enable dma extra page registers=true
81dma page registers write-only=false
82enable slave pic=true
83enable pc nmi mask=true
84rom bios 8x8 CGA font=true
85rom bios video parameter table=true
86allow more than 640kb base memory=false
87vesa lfb base scanline adjust=0
88allow hpel effects=false
89allow hretrace effects=false
90hretrace effect weight=4.00
91vesa vbe 1.2 modes are 32bpp=true
92allow low resolution vesa modes=true
93allow 32bpp vesa modes=true
94allow 24bpp vesa modes=true
95allow 16bpp vesa modes=true
96allow 15bpp vesa modes=true
97allow 8bpp vesa modes=true
98allow 4bpp vesa modes=true
99allow tty vesa modes=true
100enable vga resize delay=false
101resize only on vga active display width increase=false
102enable pci bus=true
103pit hack=
104
105[render]
106frameskip=0
107aspect=false
108linewise=false
109char9=false
110doublescan=false
111scaler=hardware2x
112autofit=true
113
114[vsync]
115vsyncmode=off
116vsyncrate=75
117
118[cpu]
119core=auto
120enable msr=true
121ignore undefined msr=false
122dynamic core cache block size=32
123cputype=auto
124cycles=auto
125cycleup=10
126cycledown=20
127non-recursive page fault=false
128ignore opcode 63=true
129apmbios=false
130apmbios allow realmode=true
131apmbios allow 16-bit protected mode=true
132apmbios allow 32-bit protected mode=true
133integration device=false
134isapnpbios=false
135realbig16=false
136
137[keyboard]
138aux=false
139allow output port reset=true
140auxdevice=intellimouse
141
142[pci]
143voodoo=auto
144voodoomem=standard
145
146[mixer]
147nosound=false
148swapstereo=false
149rate=44100
150blocksize=1024
151prebuffer=20
152
153[midi]
154mpu401=intelligent
155mididevice=default
156midiconfig=
157mt32.reverse.stereo=off
158mt32.verbose=off
159mt32.thread=off
160mt32.dac=auto
161mt32.reverb.mode=auto
162mt32.reverb.time=5
163mt32.reverb.level=3
164mt32.partials=32
165
166[sblaster]
167sbtype=sb16
168sbbase=220
169irq=7
170dma=1
171hdma=5
172sbmixer=true
173oplmode=auto
174adlib force timer overflow on detect=true
175oplemu=default
176oplrate=44100
177hardwarebase=220
178force dsp auto-init=false
179force goldplay=false
180goldplay=false
181goldplay stereo=true
182dsp require interrupt acknowledge=auto
183dsp write busy delay=-1
184blaster environment variable=true
185sample rate limits=true
186instant direct dac=false
187stereo control with sbpro only=true
188dsp busy cycle rate=-1
189dsp busy cycle duty=-1
190io port aliasing=true
191
192[gus]
193gus=false
194gusrate=44100
195gusbase=240
196gusirq=5
197gusdma=3
198ultradir=C:\ULTRASND
199
200[innova]
201innova=false
202samplerate=22050
203sidbase=280
204quality=0
205
206[speaker]
207pcspeaker=true
208pcrate=44100
209tandy=auto
210tandyrate=44100
211disney=false
212ps1audio=off
213ps1audiorate=22050
214
215[joystick]
216joysticktype=auto
217timed=true
218autofire=false
219swap34=false
220buttonwrap=false
221
222[serial]
223serial1=dummy
224serial2=dummy
225serial3=disabled
226serial4=disabled
227
228[printer]
229printer=true
230dpi=360
231width=85
232height=110
233printoutput=png
234multipage=false
235docpath=.
236timeout=0
237
238[parallel]
239parallel1=disabled
240parallel2=disabled
241parallel3=disabled
242dongle=false
243
244[glide]
245glide=true
246lfb=full
247splash=true
248
249[dos]
250xms=true
251enable a20 on windows init=true
252zero memory on xms memory allocation=false
253ems=true
254zero memory on ems memory allocation=false
255ems system handle memory size=384
256umb=true
257umb start=0
258umb end=0
259kernel allocation in umb=false
260dynamic kernel allocation=false
261keep umb on boot=false
262keep private area on boot=false
263private area in umb=true
264automount=true
265int33=true
266int 13 extensions=true
267biosps2=true
268int15 mouse callback does not preserve registers=false
269keyboardlayout=auto
270dbcs=true
271filenamechar=true
272collating and uppercase=true
273files=127
274con device use int 16h to detect keyboard input=true
275zero memory on int 21h memory allocation=false
276
277[ipx]
278ipx=false
279
280[ne2000]
281ne2000=true
282nicbase=300
283nicirq=3
284macaddr=AC:DE:48:88:99:AA
285realnic=list
286
287[fdc, primary]
288enable=false
289pnp=true
290irq=0
291io=0
292dma=-1
293int13fakev86io=false
294instant mode=false
295auto-attach to int 13h=true
296mode=ps2
297chip=82077aa
298
299[fdc, secondary]
300enable=false
301pnp=true
302irq=0
303io=0
304dma=-1
305int13fakev86io=false
306instant mode=false
307auto-attach to int 13h=true
308mode=ps2
309chip=82077aa
310
311[fdc, tertiary]
312enable=false
313pnp=true
314irq=0
315io=0
316dma=-1
317int13fakev86io=false
318instant mode=false
319auto-attach to int 13h=true
320mode=ps2
321chip=82077aa
322
323[fdc, quaternary]
324enable=false
325pnp=true
326irq=0
327io=0
328dma=-1
329int13fakev86io=false
330instant mode=false
331auto-attach to int 13h=true
332mode=ps2
333chip=82077aa
334
335[fdc, quinternary]
336enable=false
337pnp=true
338irq=0
339io=0
340dma=-1
341int13fakev86io=false
342instant mode=false
343auto-attach to int 13h=true
344mode=ps2
345chip=82077aa
346
347[fdc, sexternary]
348enable=false
349pnp=true
350irq=0
351io=0
352dma=-1
353int13fakev86io=false
354instant mode=false
355auto-attach to int 13h=true
356mode=ps2
357chip=82077aa
358
359[fdc, septernary]
360enable=false
361pnp=true
362irq=0
363io=0
364dma=-1
365int13fakev86io=false
366instant mode=false
367auto-attach to int 13h=true
368mode=ps2
369chip=82077aa
370
371[fdc, octernary]
372enable=false
373pnp=true
374irq=0
375io=0
376dma=-1
377int13fakev86io=false
378instant mode=false
379auto-attach to int 13h=true
380mode=ps2
381chip=82077aa
382
383[ide, primary]
384enable=true
385pnp=true
386irq=0
387io=0
388altio=0
389int13fakeio=false
390int13fakev86io=false
391enable pio32=false
392ignore pio32=false
393cd-rom spinup time=0
394cd-rom spindown timeout=0
395cd-rom insertion delay=0
396
397[ide, secondary]
398enable=true
399pnp=true
400irq=0
401io=0
402altio=0
403int13fakeio=false
404int13fakev86io=false
405enable pio32=false
406ignore pio32=false
407cd-rom spinup time=0
408cd-rom spindown timeout=0
409cd-rom insertion delay=0
410
411[ide, tertiary]
412enable=false
413pnp=true
414irq=0
415io=0
416altio=0
417int13fakeio=false
418int13fakev86io=false
419enable pio32=false
420ignore pio32=false
421cd-rom spinup time=0
422cd-rom spindown timeout=0
423cd-rom insertion delay=0
424
425[ide, quaternary]
426enable=false
427pnp=true
428irq=0
429io=0
430altio=0
431int13fakeio=false
432int13fakev86io=false
433enable pio32=false
434ignore pio32=false
435cd-rom spinup time=0
436cd-rom spindown timeout=0
437cd-rom insertion delay=0
438
439[ide, quinternary]
440enable=false
441pnp=true
442irq=0
443io=0
444altio=0
445int13fakeio=false
446int13fakev86io=false
447enable pio32=false
448ignore pio32=false
449cd-rom spinup time=0
450cd-rom spindown timeout=0
451cd-rom insertion delay=0
452
453[ide, sexternary]
454enable=false
455pnp=true
456irq=0
457io=0
458altio=0
459int13fakeio=false
460int13fakev86io=false
461enable pio32=false
462ignore pio32=false
463cd-rom spinup time=0
464cd-rom spindown timeout=0
465cd-rom insertion delay=0
466
467[ide, septernary]
468enable=false
469pnp=true
470irq=0
471io=0
472altio=0
473int13fakeio=false
474int13fakev86io=false
475enable pio32=false
476ignore pio32=false
477cd-rom spinup time=0
478cd-rom spindown timeout=0
479cd-rom insertion delay=0
480
481[ide, octernary]
482enable=false
483pnp=true
484irq=0
485io=0
486altio=0
487int13fakeio=false
488int13fakev86io=false
489enable pio32=false
490ignore pio32=false
491cd-rom spinup time=0
492cd-rom spindown timeout=0
493cd-rom insertion delay=0
494
495[autoexec]
496
497fullscreen false
498mount c D:\Games\0RETRO\DOS\C -freesize 1024
499C:
500cls
501@command.com

So what did i do wrong or what's the problem?

If this is completely normal and i just didn't realize, i am so so sorry for wasting your time and thanks a lot.

Reply 1 of 14, by Osprey

Posted on 2017-09-02, 23:13

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Try renaming your .conf so that it's not loaded and you're using the defaults, instead. If it works, then it's something in your .conf file. Just from a quick glance, I see that your memsize is way too high. I believe that it shouldn't be higher than 31. If that's not it, but it's definitely something in the .conf file, try replacing it with the attached one, which is a pretty vanilla one without many unnecessary settings.

If it doesn't work when your .conf file isn't loaded, then try a different DOSBox build, since Daum has some issues. Try the official v0.74 and, if that doesn't work, try one of the latest vanilla SVN builds, like the one at emucr.com. I wouldn't use your old .conf file with those, though, since yours has so many Daum-specific settings. Use my attached one, instead, which I believe has only settings that any DOSBox build would recognize.

Reply 2 of 14, by SieBoi

Posted on 2017-09-03, 00:00

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First of all, Osprey thank you for your response.

My .conf file actually works fine (for example) the autoexec does everything i write or the resolution i set etc. and when i make memsize 31 it actualy get lesser.

And i tried with original v0.74 too, it did the same thing.

i really don't get it why that's happening.

Reply 3 of 14, by IIGS_User

Posted on 2017-09-03, 08:17

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try
lh gem.exe

("Load High").

Klimawandel.

Reply 4 of 14, by ripsaw8080

Posted on 2017-09-03, 10:03

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Judging by directory names, you appear to be using FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4, but so many reworked variants of the old GEM desktop GUI were made that it's hard to be sure. If this is indeed what you're trying to run in DOSBox, I was able to get it working by doing things differently than what you tried.

First, the sub-directories GEMAPPS, GEMBOOT, GEMDESK, GEMSCRAP, and GEMSYS *must* be off the root directory of the emulated drive. Perhaps this would not be necessary if the app is installed properly (i.e. not just extracted from a zip file), but I don't see a way around it.

Second, start the program with GEMVDI.EXE, which then executes GEM.EXE as a child process. Example commands that I used:

mount c c:\dos
c:
cd gemsys
gemvdi

Reply 5 of 14, by SieBoi

Posted on 2017-09-03, 12:13

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IIGS_User wrote:
try
lh gem.exe

("Load High").

Thank you very much but sadly that didn't work yet can you explain me or refer me a link about what "Load High" does? Looks interesting.

ripsaw8080 wrote:
Judging by directory names, you appear to be using FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4, but so many reworked variants of the old GEM desktop GUI […]
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Judging by directory names, you appear to be using FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4, but so many reworked variants of the old GEM desktop GUI were made that it's hard to be sure. If this is indeed what you're trying to run in DOSBox, I was able to get it working by doing things differently than what you tried.

First, the sub-directories GEMAPPS, GEMBOOT, GEMDESK, GEMSCRAP, and GEMSYS *must* be off the root directory of the emulated drive. Perhaps this would not be necessary if the app is installed properly (i.e. not just extracted from a zip file), but I don't see a way around it.

Second, start the program with GEMVDI.EXE, which then executes GEM.EXE as a child process. Example commands that I used:

mount c c:\dos
c:
cd gemsys
gemvdi

Oh my god thank you! That worked! Also can you tell me why these must be off the root directory? You see im quite a ordinate person so those folders on root kind of irritating me.

Another thing i didn't seem to give SVN Daum more than 523,264k memory doesn't matter what i do, there is no problem with the original 0.74 when i type memsize=16 in original it gave me 15168kb which is perfect but when i type memsize=16 in Daum it gave me just 16,384k should i make a new topic for that or do you guys know the answer?

Also thank you all again!

Reply 6 of 14, by Dominus

Posted on 2017-09-03, 12:54

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Daum is broken and not supported here! But neither does the „author“ of Daum support it anymore.

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Reply 7 of 14, by SieBoi

Posted on 2017-09-03, 16:00

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Oh, then do you have another version/svn you can suggest me besides 0.74 that still getting supported? My main reasons to use daum was easier use, build in graphic and sound cards(simulations i might call them) and of course 1920x1080 resalution

Reply 8 of 14, by IIGS_User

Posted on 2017-09-03, 17:17

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SieBoi wrote:
Thank you very much but sadly that didn't work yet can you explain me or refer me a link about what "Load High" does? Looks interesting.

Nice to see another hint works perfectly.

About the Loadhigh command, I found the following link:
http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/showthread.php?t=6991

On MS-DOS, it loads drivers and commands prefixed with lh to the upper memory to let the base DOS memory (below 640k) free for DOS applications that rely on it.

Klimawandel.

Reply 9 of 14, by Osprey

Posted on 2017-09-03, 21:28

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SieBoi wrote:
Oh, then do you have another version/svn you can suggest me besides 0.74 that still getting supported? My main reasons to use daum was easier use, build in graphic and sound cards(simulations i might call them) and of course 1920x1080 resalution

I gave you a link above to a frequently updated plain version of DOSBox. If you want something fancier, though, google DOSBox ECE.

Reply 10 of 14, by SieBoi

Posted on 2017-09-03, 22:27

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IIGS_User wrote:
Nice to see another hint works perfectly. […]
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SieBoi wrote:
Thank you very much but sadly that didn't work yet can you explain me or refer me a link about what "Load High" does? Looks interesting.

Nice to see another hint works perfectly.

About the Loadhigh command, I found the following link:
http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/showthread.php?t=6991

On MS-DOS, it loads drivers and commands prefixed with lh to the upper memory to let the base DOS memory (below 640k) free for DOS applications that rely on it.

Gotcha thank you.

Osprey wrote:
SieBoi wrote:
Oh, then do you have another version/svn you can suggest me besides 0.74 that still getting supported? My main reasons to use daum was easier use, build in graphic and sound cards(simulations i might call them) and of course 1920x1080 resalution

I gave you a link above to a frequently updated plain version of DOSBox. If you want something fancier, though, google DOSBox ECE.

Trying DOSBox ECE i hope it goes well. Also does it get support from this site?

Also another question hit me when i was looking at web, some people says "PCEM is better" and they mostly talk about windows/opengl games/graphical stuff, im quite happy with dosbox because i only use dos with basic managers (like Norton Commander) and play some older games like dave, mario & luigi so is there actualy an advantage for using PCEM (so far i didnt saw any)?

Reply 11 of 14, by SieBoi

Posted on 2017-09-04, 15:10

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SieBoi wrote:

Also another question hit me when i was looking at web, some people says "PCEM is better" and they mostly talk about windows/opengl games/graphical stuff, im quite happy with dosbox because i only use dos with basic managers (like Norton Commander) and play some older games like dave, mario & luigi so is there actualy an advantage for using PCEM (so far i didnt saw any)?

Did i asked a realy taboo question?

Osprey wrote:
SieBoi wrote:
Oh, then do you have another version/svn you can suggest me besides 0.74 that still getting supported? My main reasons to use daum was easier use, build in graphic and sound cards(simulations i might call them) and of course 1920x1080 resalution

I gave you a link above to a frequently updated plain version of DOSBox. If you want something fancier, though, google DOSBox ECE.

Sadly ECE also doesnt support 1920x1080 and i have quite an obsession with empty black parts on my screen.

Reply 12 of 14, by SieBoi

Posted on 2017-09-04, 21:21

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Dominus wrote:
Daum is broken and not supported here! But neither does the „author“ of Daum support it anymore.

Can you tell me what is broken with daum? So far i only get this memory thing but i want to know if its extremely broken if not i think i can deal with it.

Reply 13 of 14, by Osprey

Posted on 2017-09-04, 21:38

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SieBoi wrote:
Sadly ECE also doesnt support 1920x1080 and i have quite an obsession with empty black parts on my screen.

I'm not sure what you mean. As far as I know, DOSBox (any build) "supports" any resolution, at least in fullscreen and if you're using an output mode that scales (anything but "surface"). Have you changed your output mode from "direct3d" to something else? That mode is not recognized by most DOSBox builds, which could be your problem. Change it to overlay, ddraw or opengl. Also, if your desktop resolution is 1920x1080, you can simply set "fullresolution=desktop".

Reply 14 of 14, by SieBoi

Posted on 2017-09-05, 00:27

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Osprey wrote:
SieBoi wrote:
Sadly ECE also doesnt support 1920x1080 and i have quite an obsession with empty black parts on my screen.

I'm not sure what you mean. As far as I know, DOSBox (any build) "supports" any resolution, at least in fullscreen and if you're using an output mode that scales (anything but "surface"). Have you changed your output mode from "direct3d" to something else? That mode is not recognized by most DOSBox builds, which could be your problem. Change it to overlay, ddraw or opengl. Also, if your desktop resolution is 1920x1080, you can simply set "fullresolution=desktop".

Yyep i allready tried every solition on internet (yours as well) but noting is working. So wait you saying this isnt the normal case? Because to many people get this problem as well on web.

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