Similar to the valuation of ebay item 203254943717. Is there a reason for that price? It also indicates they sold one. That's insane. maybe I should wait till this one is gone and then put up my own one at a round number of 10k !

I think the problem is access to the internet by the entire population. Often, those who find themselves owning a piece of IT think they have the El Dorado in their hands and without knowledge of either its objective value in the field of retrogaming or the quantities placed on the market, sell it at a disproportionate price. Just the other day I saw an IBM PC330 on ebay (the P133 version) for the stellar and absurd price of €700. This distorts the market and makes anyone who has a PC330 at home believe they have a precious piece and puts it at €700 too... this is the absolute evil of our hobby.
My reasoning is generic and I don't know exactly the value of this component, but it is usually as I wrote

Nope.

This is not ignorance but plain cynicism. This person is fully aware that they have a piece of ancient crap on their hands with little intrinsic value. What they also have is (near enough) free storage. They can keep this stuff up indefinitely. You and I aren't the target (although the seller won't complain if someone like us does pay) they're hopeing for companies running something mission-critical off ancient hardware. Think old industrial machines. I was once able to help my own employer out with a Mac IIsi from my personal collection. It - and only it, not even a similar Mac, due to some very ugly custom hard+software - could run a remote switching device on which over 100k customers depended. Impact of downtime could be measured in potentially millions of EUR per week. If I hadn't had one, they would have had to buy a replacement at whatever price anyone was asiking. That is what sellers like this are waiting for - the company desperate and prepared to pay almost anything for that specific piece of old crap that keeps their operations afloat.

dionb wrote on 2024-01-14, 10:59:

Nope.

This is not ignorance but plain cynicism. This person is fully aware that they have a piece of ancient crap on their hands with little intrinsic value. What they also have is (near enough) free storage. They can keep this stuff up indefinitely. You and I aren't the target (although the seller won't complain if someone like us does pay) they're hopeing for companies running something mission-critical off ancient hardware. Think old industrial machines. I was once able to help my own employer out with a Mac IIsi from my personal collection. It - and only it, not even a similar Mac, due to some very ugly custom hard+software - could run a remote switching device on which over 100k customers depended. Impact of downtime could be measured in potentially millions of EUR per week. If I hadn't had one, they would have had to buy a replacement at whatever price anyone was asiking. That is what sellers like this are waiting for - the company desperate and prepared to pay almost anything for that specific piece of old crap that keeps their operations afloat.

What you are talking about is correct and I am 100% aware of it but I consider you an extremely intelligent person and you will understand that your reasoning can be applied to less than 5% of overpriced hardware. Since this is a scsi controller it could have half value (can't this model really be transparently replaced by similar ones? It doesn't seem that particular to me) but search on ebay for the IBM I wrote about... €700 please!! !

I mean if someone asked me for this card I'd only charge the delivery cost, because I'm not into selling parts, but if I were, I'd value this card at $40 max, judging by the value of other ATTO SCSI cards.

As for the GUS PNP for $3999 😀) I get the feeling that some people are scalping old gear by hoarding it and creating artificial scarcity.

The reason its so high is because its a sellers market.
There are no others on there so they will list it for a stupidly high sum of money hoping that somebody somewhere needs exactly that card.

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2024-01-14, 14:22:

The reason its so high is because its a sellers market.
There are no others on there so they will list it for a stupidly high sum of money hoping that somebody somewhere needs exactly that card.

he may be a professional, but he also influences the prices of any naive person who has any $1 scsi card and who sells it for $1000 just because he saw that filthy speculator.

AlessandroB wrote on 2024-01-14, 12:32:

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What you are talking about is correct and I am 100% aware of it but I consider you an extremely intelligent person and you will understand that your reasoning can be applied to less than 5% of overpriced hardware. Since this is a scsi controller it could have half value (can't this model really be transparently replaced by similar ones? It doesn't seem that particular to me) but search on ebay for the IBM I wrote about... €700 please!! !

Thing is, now imagine you are someone who has zero knowledge of old computers. You are - at best - sysadmin for this non-IT company and frequently you're not a sysadmin but just some worker who knows which box controls the machines. All you know is that that box did it and now one part in the box is dead and your machine doesn't work without it.

Of course you know, I know, that any PCI SCSI adapter with same specs will work just as well. But that's because we're actually into this old stuff. The person who has to get the machine running again doesn't know that. He might suspect it and even propose to management to use say an Adaptec AHA-2940U for EUR 10 instead. But when challenged by management he will admit he doesn't know for sure and the manager will say choose safe over sorry and get exactly the same part instead - and the seller gets his price.

This is the logic that all these sellers are hoping for. It's also why 'industrial' boards on AliExpress go for insane prices - because they are sold as drop-in replacements for some old board. Potentially the sellers don't know exactly what they have either, but they know that if someone wants exactly that part, they will pay for it. That's how a simple PCI SCSI adapter can end up costing more than a Voodoo5.

Can anyone post another scsi card or device that has the same external connectors ?

weedeewee wrote on 2024-01-14, 16:06:

Can anyone post another scsi card or device that has the same external connectors ?

Likely an SCA-1 or SCA-2 connector . Those were quite common .

darry wrote on 2024-01-14, 16:58:

weedeewee wrote on 2024-01-14, 16:06:

Can anyone post another scsi card or device that has the same external connectors ?

Likely an SCA-1 or SCA-2 connector . Those were quite common .

Did you actually look at the photo of the card ?

low-force helix (LFH-60) connector.
Ive never seen one on a SCSI card before but I have seen them on graphics cards to put 4 VGA connectors on one card via a break out cable.
Also seen them on Cisco routers for their serial connection.

If you google the name you should see just that.

As to the prices...
Its a sellers market becuase theres none about...
Its the same with the early Voodoo cards. Are they really worth upto £250 each? I mean really?

thanks.
indeed, vga, cisco, but scsi... still looking for an example of that which isn't that card indicated in the first post.
edit: oh well, this LFH-60 to a normal 50p external scsi connector cable will have to do.

weedeewee wrote on 2024-01-14, 17:21:

thanks.
indeed, vga, cisco, but scsi... still looking for an example of that which isn't that card indicated in the first post.

Ive never seen one. All the cards Ive got that want to put two connectors on the bracket all us VHDCI.

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2024-01-14, 17:26:

weedeewee wrote on 2024-01-14, 17:21:

thanks.
indeed, vga, cisco, but scsi... still looking for an example of that which isn't that card indicated in the first post.

Ive never seen one. All the cards Ive got that want to put two connectors on the bracket all us VHDCI.

Exactly. maybe this card is either way too specific (that odd edge connector) or from a time before the vhd connectors became standard.

weedeewee wrote on 2024-01-14, 17:12:

darry wrote on 2024-01-14, 16:58:

weedeewee wrote on 2024-01-14, 16:06:

Can anyone post another scsi card or device that has the same external connectors ?

Likely an SCA-1 or SCA-2 connector . Those were quite common .

Did you actually look at the photo of the card ?

I actually did look, but I did miss the word "external" in your question, apologies. I was referring to the internal connectors. That and TBH, I did not even notice that there were external connectors until I read your reply to my answer.

darry wrote on 2024-01-14, 17:40:

weedeewee wrote on 2024-01-14, 17:12:

darry wrote on 2024-01-14, 16:58:

Likely an SCA-1 or SCA-2 connector . Those were quite common .

Did you actually look at the photo of the card ?

I actually did look, but I did miss the word "external" in your question, apologies. I was referring to the internal connectors. That and TBH, I did not even notice that there were external connectors until I read your reply to my answer.

np, The internal ones are normal 68p wide scsi though still not SCA in any way 😀

Guess the multi-port edge connector and LFH60 make it somewhat unusual, but not $600 worth!

With a built-in multi-port/OEM adapter, you
can add more functionality through snap-on modules. OEMs will also have the ability to
design their own cards or interface through an internal PCI-based bus. All of which
assures the highest performance possible and a long-term return on your purchase.

ElectroSoldier wrote on 2024-01-14, 17:15:

low-force helix (LFH-60) connector. Ive never seen one on a SCSI card before but I have seen them on graphics cards to put 4 VGA […]
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low-force helix (LFH-60) connector.
Ive never seen one on a SCSI card before but I have seen them on graphics cards to put 4 VGA connectors on one card via a break out cable.
Also seen them on Cisco routers for their serial connection.

If you google the name you should see just that.

As to the prices...
Its a sellers market becuase theres none about...
Its the same with the early Voodoo cards. Are they really worth upto £250 each? I mean really?

It has two LFH-60 external connectors, as you noted, two internal HD-DB 68 connectors, and a 120-pin edge connector I don't recognize.

EDIT: PC Hoarder Patrol has found out what the edge connector is for.

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-01-14, 18:44:

Guess the multi-port edge connector and LFH60 make it somewhat unusual, but not $600 worth! […]
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Guess the multi-port edge connector and LFH60 make it somewhat unusual, but not $600 worth!

With a built-in multi-port/OEM adapter, you
can add more functionality through snap-on modules. OEMs will also have the ability to
design their own cards or interface through an internal PCI-based bus. All of which
assures the highest performance possible and a long-term return on your purchase.

EXPPCI.PDF