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First post, by psaez

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Hello everyone, I have read you a lot of times, but this is my first post here. I always wanted to have a tualatin 1400, and after a lot of years finally I purchased one. It's the 1400 S version, with 512Kb cache

I have tested it on two motherboards:

- DFI CA64-TC/TN
- AOpen AX34

Supposedly both are compatible with tualatin, because both have Apollo Pro 133 chipset.

I tested them with cpu jumpers for cpu type, multiplier etc.. on auto, and also I tried specifying the correct 10.5 multiplier on the AOpen jumpers. I did CLEAR CMOS a lot of times etc...

I simply get a black screen and fans rotatin but without any beep on the motherboard.

Is the CPU broken?

Reply 1 of 12, by ciornyi

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Aopen doesn't support Tualatin . Are you sure your motherboards in working order ? Do you have spare cpu to check it. Did you connected speaker to hear any sound beep ? Post card would be handfull here.

DOS: 166mmx/16mb/Y719/S3virge
DOS/95: PII333/128mb/AWE64/TNT2M64
Win98: P3_900/256mb/SB live/3dfx V3
Win Me: Athlon 1700+/512mb/Audigy2/Geforce 3Ti200
Win XP: E8600/4096mb/SB X-fi/HD6850

Reply 2 of 12, by psaez

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ciornyi wrote on 2024-03-29, 06:23:

Aopen doesn't support Tualatin . Are you sure your motherboards in working order ? Do you have spare cpu to check it. Did you connected speaker to hear any sound beep ? Post card would be handfull here.

Hi, yes, I have pentium 3 1000 and pentium 3 667 and started both motherboards with them correctly.

Yes I have speaker on the motherboards and no beep sound is played.

Will a post card confirm is the problem is the CPU? is that absolutely safe to trust? I'm not sure about that, because if the CPU is not compatible with the motherboard, maybe the post card will give error code that represents that there is a problem with the CPU. Or do the post card difference between CPU incompatible and broken CPU with different codes?

If a Post Card is necessary... some questions: do I need to purchase an specific post card or any old PCI post card will be enough to confirm if CPU is death? Also.. can you recommend a post card compatible with old computers and new computers? doesn't know if that exist... maybe compatible with old PCI and new PCI.

I found these post cards on aliexpress and ebay, seems that are PCI express and old PCI all in one:

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Reply 3 of 12, by ciornyi

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Post card is pc analyzer card which show you bios post codes .
I would try update bios on dfi mobo.
PS . There's various reasons for this issue including broken cpu. Bad caps is another thing.

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DOS: 166mmx/16mb/Y719/S3virge
DOS/95: PII333/128mb/AWE64/TNT2M64
Win98: P3_900/256mb/SB live/3dfx V3
Win Me: Athlon 1700+/512mb/Audigy2/Geforce 3Ti200
Win XP: E8600/4096mb/SB X-fi/HD6850

Reply 4 of 12, by psaez

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ciornyi wrote on 2024-03-29, 08:01:

Post card is pc analyzer card which show you bios post codes .
I would try update bios on dfi mobo.

please read my edited previous message, I added more questions to your post card idea, can you answer me?

Bytheway, after searching on google, can't find how to update the BIOS of the DFI. Do you know how?

Reply 5 of 12, by psaez

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ciornyi wrote on 2024-03-29, 08:01:

Post card is pc analyzer card which show you bios post codes .
I would try update bios on dfi mobo.
PS . There's various reasons for this issue including broken cpu. Bad caps is another thing.

should this one do the work? it haves only 2 digits but it's more cheap and comes in 5 days to home

https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006279033752.html

do you know how to update the DFI bios? can't fint it.

Reply 6 of 12, by ciornyi

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psaez wrote on 2024-03-29, 08:18:
should this one do the work? it haves only 2 digits but it's more cheap and comes in 5 days to home […]
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ciornyi wrote on 2024-03-29, 08:01:

Post card is pc analyzer card which show you bios post codes .
I would try update bios on dfi mobo.
PS . There's various reasons for this issue including broken cpu. Bad caps is another thing.

should this one do the work? it haves only 2 digits but it's more cheap and comes in 5 days to home

https://es.aliexpress.com/item/1005006279033752.html

do you know how to update the DFI bios? can't fint it.

You need floppy drive to able it to update . Could you please make photo with initial bios screen. Also could you check what exact Northbridge you have 694x or 694t .it's possible that dfi doesn't support Tualatins either.

Post card you show doesn't have pci

DOS: 166mmx/16mb/Y719/S3virge
DOS/95: PII333/128mb/AWE64/TNT2M64
Win98: P3_900/256mb/SB live/3dfx V3
Win Me: Athlon 1700+/512mb/Audigy2/Geforce 3Ti200
Win XP: E8600/4096mb/SB X-fi/HD6850

Reply 7 of 12, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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DFI does list Tualatin support (see attached list) for the board (at least to 1.26GHz)...try an update to the latest BIOS (v1120) if you're not already running it - https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dfi-ca64-tc#bios

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Think the AOpen probably needs a mod to work (AX34 is listed thru the Korean guys ebay pages as working with his modded CPUs / socket adapters)

Reply 8 of 12, by psaez

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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-03-29, 10:20:

DFI does list Tualatin support (see attached list) for the board (at least to 1.26GHz)...try an update to the latest BIOS (v1120) if you're not already running it - https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dfi-ca64-tc#bios

DFI CPU Support List - Socket 370.pdf

Think the AOpen probably needs a mod to work (AX34 is listed thru the Korean guys ebay pages as working with his modded CPUs / socket adapters)

how can I update the BIOS?

Reply 9 of 12, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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psaez wrote on 2024-03-29, 10:30:
PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-03-29, 10:20:

DFI does list Tualatin support (see attached list) for the board (at least to 1.26GHz)...try an update to the latest BIOS (v1120) if you're not already running it - https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dfi-ca64-tc#bios

DFI CPU Support List - Socket 370.pdf

Think the AOpen probably needs a mod to work (AX34 is listed thru the Korean guys ebay pages as working with his modded CPUs / socket adapters)

how can I update the BIOS?

Download v1120 from the link I listed above, unzip it to directory and then follow the instructions here (in this case the executable they refer to is called F810.exe) - https://web.archive.org/web/20020203115419id_ … 1/bioshelp2.htm

Reply 10 of 12, by psaez

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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-03-29, 10:52:
psaez wrote on 2024-03-29, 10:30:
PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-03-29, 10:20:

DFI does list Tualatin support (see attached list) for the board (at least to 1.26GHz)...try an update to the latest BIOS (v1120) if you're not already running it - https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/dfi-ca64-tc#bios

DFI CPU Support List - Socket 370.pdf

Think the AOpen probably needs a mod to work (AX34 is listed thru the Korean guys ebay pages as working with his modded CPUs / socket adapters)

how can I update the BIOS?

Download v1120 from the link I listed above, unzip it to directory and then follow the instructions here (in this case the executable they refer to is called F810.exe) - https://web.archive.org/web/20020203115419id_ … 1/bioshelp2.htm

There is something strange in that list of BIOS versions, the 1120 seems to be the second more old, and the version 0214 seems to be much more newer, from 2003 as that list states.

So, which one is more recent? 1120 (2002) or 0214 (2003)?

On the other hand, finally I disscovered that the CPU works on that motherboard! but it takes minutes to start the hard drives and make the beep sound and start the boot process and display something in the monitor. It haves 3 condenser in bad shape. Maybe is that the issue?

Reply 11 of 12, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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psaez wrote on 2024-04-01, 17:08:
There is something strange in that list of BIOS versions, the 1120 seems to be the second more old, and the version 0214 seems t […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-03-29, 10:52:
psaez wrote on 2024-03-29, 10:30:

how can I update the BIOS?

Download v1120 from the link I listed above, unzip it to directory and then follow the instructions here (in this case the executable they refer to is called F810.exe) - https://web.archive.org/web/20020203115419id_ … 1/bioshelp2.htm

There is something strange in that list of BIOS versions, the 1120 seems to be the second more old, and the version 0214 seems to be much more newer, from 2003 as that list states.

So, which one is more recent? 1120 (2002) or 0214 (2003)?

On the other hand, finally I disscovered that the CPU works on that motherboard! but it takes minutes to start the hard drives and make the beep sound and start the boot process and display something in the monitor. It haves 3 condenser in bad shape. Maybe is that the issue?

Sorry, my bad...it's 0214 (2003) rather than 1120 (2002 2001)

Reply 12 of 12, by psaez

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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-04-02, 04:26:
psaez wrote on 2024-04-01, 17:08:
There is something strange in that list of BIOS versions, the 1120 seems to be the second more old, and the version 0214 seems t […]
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PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2024-03-29, 10:52:

Download v1120 from the link I listed above, unzip it to directory and then follow the instructions here (in this case the executable they refer to is called F810.exe) - https://web.archive.org/web/20020203115419id_ … 1/bioshelp2.htm

There is something strange in that list of BIOS versions, the 1120 seems to be the second more old, and the version 0214 seems to be much more newer, from 2003 as that list states.

So, which one is more recent? 1120 (2002) or 0214 (2003)?

On the other hand, finally I disscovered that the CPU works on that motherboard! but it takes minutes to start the hard drives and make the beep sound and start the boot process and display something in the monitor. It haves 3 condenser in bad shape. Maybe is that the issue?

Sorry, my bad...it's 0214 (2003) rather than 1120 (2002 2001)

don't worry, and thanks, this is the first time I see a version history in which the less version number... the newer the version is... very confussing