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First post, by Dougal

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I just swapped my Gravis Ultrasound PnP for a Sound Blaster CT3600 model believing it is an AWE32 but now I have my doubts.

I've read that it is an AWE32 and that it is an SB 32 and not an AWE32. What is it ?

It has 2 ram sockets which are populated with 1MB simms for a total of 2MB.

Win 7 : Core2Quad 2.4Ghz, 4Gb Ram, Audigy 4 Pro
Win 98: Pentium III 600Mhz, 448MB Ram, Matrox Millenium DualHead 32MB, Sound Blaster 32, Roland MT-32
Win 98: Compaq Armada 7400 P2 333Mhz, 192MB Ram, ESS AudiDrive 1879 with Wavetable

Reply 1 of 11, by elianda

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It is an SB 32 as it doesn't have the soldered 512 kB RAM. If you plug SIMMs this is rather irrelevant though.
I think there was something else, like no reverb and chorus through the EMU8K for the FM Synthesis path.

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Reply 2 of 11, by Dougal

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elianda wrote:

It is an SB 32 as it doesn't have the soldered 512 kB RAM. If you plug SIMMs this is rather irrelevant though.
I think there was something else, like no reverb and chorus through the EMU8K for the FM Synthesis path.

It has x2 1MB simms. So in DOS games would selecting Sound Blaster AWE32 work ?

Win 7 : Core2Quad 2.4Ghz, 4Gb Ram, Audigy 4 Pro
Win 98: Pentium III 600Mhz, 448MB Ram, Matrox Millenium DualHead 32MB, Sound Blaster 32, Roland MT-32
Win 98: Compaq Armada 7400 P2 333Mhz, 192MB Ram, ESS AudiDrive 1879 with Wavetable

Reply 3 of 11, by vetz

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That was you on Amibay?

I believe you got shafted trading a Gravis Ultrasound for a CT3600. For a Gravis Ultrasound I would expect the best models like CT2760, CT3900 or CT3980.

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Reply 4 of 11, by elianda

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Well, he wrote it was a GUS PnP, not a classic. If it was really traded for a CT3600, it's hard to put in words.

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Reply 5 of 11, by RacoonRider

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In Russia GUS PnP goes for $50 (and is bought immediately for such a price) and CT2760 for $10. I would never trade any working GUS for a Creative card.

To prove the point, this shop has 212 CT2760 in stock for less then $10 each at current exchange rate: http://pc-1.ru/i_shop/multimedia/sound/A032655

Reply 6 of 11, by bristlehog

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CT3600 is a SB32 (cut down version of AWE32) based on SB16 Vibra chipset. It's cost is next to nothing, while GUS PnP could go for $30 to $100 depending on some conditions.

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Reply 7 of 11, by Dougal

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Is a CT3600 really THAT bad ? I heard that with ram added and setup properly it can sound just as good as any AWE 32.

The GUS was too much hassle to setup due to too many IRQ conflicts especially with my Matrox Millenium G400 32mb.

Win 7 : Core2Quad 2.4Ghz, 4Gb Ram, Audigy 4 Pro
Win 98: Pentium III 600Mhz, 448MB Ram, Matrox Millenium DualHead 32MB, Sound Blaster 32, Roland MT-32
Win 98: Compaq Armada 7400 P2 333Mhz, 192MB Ram, ESS AudiDrive 1879 with Wavetable

Reply 8 of 11, by sunaiac

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Actually some Vibra chips are less noisy.
Quality of sound is not the problem here, just the cards respective values.

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Reply 9 of 11, by Dougal

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Thanks for the input. I appreciate that the GUS is worth more than the CT3600. I'm not that bothered about the values though as to be honest I bought the GUS for 2 euros at the local car boot sale last Sunday.

Like I said before, setting up the GUS to actually work with my Pentium III was proving too much of a problem because the IRQ's were always conflicting, even after disabling the COM ports AND the Parallel ports from the BIOS.

The CT3600 should be much easier to set up and i'm hoping that in games like Doom, Duke3D, Dune etc the Midi based music will sound great.

Does it do MT-32 emulation and does General Midi work with it ?

Win 7 : Core2Quad 2.4Ghz, 4Gb Ram, Audigy 4 Pro
Win 98: Pentium III 600Mhz, 448MB Ram, Matrox Millenium DualHead 32MB, Sound Blaster 32, Roland MT-32
Win 98: Compaq Armada 7400 P2 333Mhz, 192MB Ram, ESS AudiDrive 1879 with Wavetable

Reply 10 of 11, by bristlehog

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From the utilitarian point, CT3600 with 2 Mb RAM is all but equal to a full AWE32. Only S/PDIF digital output and daughterboard header are missing.

GM and MT-32 emulation work with CT3600 to the same extent they would work with any AWE32. If you mean real, not emulated General MIDI - then you have to hook a GM module to CT3600's joystick port with a joystick-to-MIDI adapter. Full AWE32s also have an opportunity to install a GM daughterboard, but CT3600 lacks this capability.

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Reply 11 of 11, by Dougal

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I intend to use it along with a Roland MT32 connected via the Gameport

Win 7 : Core2Quad 2.4Ghz, 4Gb Ram, Audigy 4 Pro
Win 98: Pentium III 600Mhz, 448MB Ram, Matrox Millenium DualHead 32MB, Sound Blaster 32, Roland MT-32
Win 98: Compaq Armada 7400 P2 333Mhz, 192MB Ram, ESS AudiDrive 1879 with Wavetable