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3DFX Voodoo 3 2000 vs 3000 bench

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First post, by hellzakk

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Hi all, i've used the Phil's Ultimate VGA Benchmark Database Project batch file and there's the results:

Voodoo 3 2000

  • SUPERSCAPE BENCHMARK : 677.9
    PCPBENCH : 149.6
    DOOM : 145.31
    QUAKE : 101.8

Voodoo 3 3000

  • SUPERSCAPE BENCHMARK : 677.0
    PCPBENCH : 149.6
    DOOM : 144.75
    QUAKE : 101.7

The strange thing is that the 2000 model give better performance than the 3000.

In win 98 s.e. when i click start - end session the choosing form pop up and is ok but the back turn darker and move like a noise...

What do you think?

Reply 1 of 24, by AlphaWing

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Is that AGP vs PCI?
I have PCI, versions of both these cards and a couple agp ones.
The PCI 2000 is an overclocking wonder, and can run stable at 200mhz. I'm pretty sure its pin style heatsink is more effective then the Flat ones found on the 3000,3500-PCI/AGP, when air is hitting it.

Reply 2 of 24, by hellzakk

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agp both

Reply 3 of 24, by AlphaWing

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Try a windows benchmark like 3dmark 99 Or Quake 2.

I don't think your gonna see much difference in dos between them.
Both could be within the margin of error of the benchmarks since they are so very close.
Its only 143mhz vs 166mhz and your only stressing the 2d functions of the boards in dos.

Reply 4 of 24, by hellzakk

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right, i will try

Reply 5 of 24, by sliderider

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AlphaWing wrote:

Is that AGP vs PCI?
I have PCI, versions of both these cards and a couple agp ones.
The PCI 2000 is an overclocking wonder, and can run stable at 200mhz. I'm pretty sure its pin style heatsink is more effective then the Flat ones found on the 3000,3500-PCI/AGP, when air is hitting it.

There are underclocked OEM versions of the V3 that run at 125mhz without a heatsink that can can be jacked up to 3500 levels with cooling depending on the RAM chips that 3dfx chose to install on that particular board. Some of them have RAMs that are good for 200mhz operation on them!

Reply 6 of 24, by AlphaWing

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Gateway V3-1000? I have one of those, its 8mb and it really hurts its usability.
Never seen one without a heatsink tho.

Reply 7 of 24, by hellzakk

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update

Windows 98 S.E.
P3-450 MHZ (L1-D 16KB : L1-I 16KB : L2 512KB)
IWILL BD100 PLUS - Chipset i440BX/ZX
128 MB SDRAM 100MHz

Voodoo 3 2000

  • 3DMark 1999
    • 3DMark : 3812
      CPU 3DMark : 6992
    3DMark 2000
    • 3DMark : 2307
    3DMark 2001
    • 3DMark : 923

Voodoo 3 3000

  • 3DMark 1999
    • 3DMark : 3847
      CPU 3DMark : 7015
    3DMark 2000
    • 3DMark : 2414
    3DMark 2001
    • 3DMark : 936

Reply 8 of 24, by leileilol

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Very bottlenecked.

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Reply 9 of 24, by mwdmeyer

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Quake 3 at 1024+ res should show some difference even on that P3 I would think.

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Reply 10 of 24, by hellzakk

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im waiting some dimm of ram, will redo the bench after 😀

Reply 11 of 24, by sliderider

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AlphaWing wrote:

Gateway V3-1000? I have one of those, its 8mb and it really hurts its usability.
Never seen one without a heatsink tho.

There are V3 1000's with 16mb that are built on the same circuit board as the Banshee.

V3 1000

3dfx_voodoo3_1000_compaq_16mb_agp_front.jpg

Banshee

3dfx_voodoobanshee_diamond_monsterfusion_16mb_agp_front.jpg

Reply 12 of 24, by Putas

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And the Gateway V3-1000 looks identical to Velocity 100, is the TMU disabled?

Reply 13 of 24, by hellzakk

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hellzakk wrote:

im waiting some dimm of ram, will redo the bench after 😀

ok, done with 1024mb of ram

3Dfx Voodoo 3 3000 --> 3D Mark 99 : 3834 - CPU 3D Mark : 7015

same as the 128mb

Reply 14 of 24, by archsan

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In case it's still not clear, at lower resolutions you'd be seriously bottlenecked by the CPU. Try upgrading the CPU to >800MHz and/or try the highest resolution you can use, if you really want to see a difference.

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Reply 15 of 24, by hellzakk

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after this test it's clear 😁

Reply 17 of 24, by sliderider

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Putas wrote:

And the Gateway V3-1000 looks identical to Velocity 100, is the TMU disabled?

The one that I pictured has both TMU enabled but is underclocked at 125mhz. It's an OEM card from Compaq. The Gateway card with 8mb only needs a simple registry entry to activate the second TMU, but the 8mb RAM is the more limiting factor as you only get 1 or 2 frames more with it activated, not even enough to justify turning it on, IMHO. A V3 with 16mb gets you more additional frames than that.

Reply 18 of 24, by Kahenraz

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The reason for the scaling is specifically due to certain calculations that must still be done on the CPU. This is what TnL addressed. I was googling around and found a great graph from Anandtech showing CPU scaling on The Radeon VE, which also lacked TnL:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/721/11

Reply 19 of 24, by idspispopd

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sliderider wrote:

The one that I pictured has both TMU enabled but is underclocked at 125mhz. It's an OEM card from Compaq. The Gateway card with 8mb only needs a simple registry entry to activate the second TMU, but the 8mb RAM is the more limiting factor as you only get 1 or 2 frames more with it activated, not even enough to justify turning it on, IMHO. A V3 with 16mb gets you more additional frames than that.

I suppose that depends on how much texture memory is needed (depends on the game and the settings) and how much texture memory is left (depends on the resolution).
This is probably limiting for Quake 3 in 1024x768 but not for glQuake/Q2 in 640x480.