AGP on Aladdin V isn't very stable. Voodoo3 is one of the most reliable cards for Super 7 AGP. For DOS games though you could try a Riva 128 or some S3 card if you like. They have excellent DOS compatibility.

http://gona.mactar.hu/DOS_TESTS/

Maybe you are not using the right drivers.
Which Version is it?

The Voodoo 3 Chip is quite fast at DOS VESA Applications.
NFS 2SE should work without problems on the Voodoo 3.
I would never replace it with a Riva128, especially in terms of image quality.

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Maybe you are not using the right drivers.
Which Version is it?

The Voodoo 3 Chip is quite fast at DOS VESA Applications.
NFS 2SE should work without problems on the Voodoo 3.
I would never replace it with a Riva128, especially in terms of image quality.

The version is 4.12.01.0666. Looked it up in the 3DFX Tools properties. And just to clarify, it's the first Need for Speed SE that I was trying to run. I can't install nor play it unless video acceleration is turned off.

In any case, I got a video here showing what it looks like in Terminal Velocity with a Voodoo 3 when starting up:

http://youtu.be/0LN2z3WzmHU

And the attachment below is the result when I try to run or install The Need for Speed SE in Windows.

Nfs se could be a memory problem? I play that game even on my tualatin 1400 with v5 agp and win98se, should not be a problem on your voodoo3. (same goes for nfs2 se, nfs3 etc.)

In my p5a system i use a geforce2Ti along with v2 sli and it works fine. Make sure you install the right agp driver for this board as it otherwise can be troublesome with agp cards. I use the 1.72 agp driver and win98se.
Voodoo3 should be faster as 3dfx cards work best if you use a ss7 board, geforce2 starts to fly on fast p3 (v2 sli outperform geforce2ti by a margin in most games in my system)

Also be carefull not to install even faster cards on this board as boards of this time do not deliver a lot of current on the agp slot. Doesn't matter as v3 and geforce2 are overkill already even for the fastest ss7 cpu.

It might not be very practical, but you can add a PCI card (like an S3 Trio64 or Virge for maximum compatibility) and just boot with it instead of your Voodoo3 when required (BIOS setup, "boot from AGP or PCI" option).

DoomGuy II wrote:

I currently have a 3DFX Voodoo 3 installed in my DOS/Windows 9x Hybrid Gaming Rig which does things miles better than what I have at this point. The problem is that some games, especially for DOS, are glitchy or just otherwise will refuse to run unless configured properly. For instance, Terminal Velocity gives me the fuzzy screen no matter what I do. Tried vesafix, vbehz, and vbe15bpp, but both have not fixed this problem. Another example is that Need for Speed SE in Windows will refuse to run the installer or even the game unless if I turn off video acceleration which is clunky.

So, what video cards can I put in an ASUS P5A mobo that'll either match the performance of the Voodoo 3 or out perform it and that is more compatible with DOS games and doesn't have any issues with games like NFS SE? The only cards I have that I'm thinking about are the Diamond Viper V770 and a Gainward Geforce 2 Ti (not sure if it's AGP 2X compatible 100%).

You might have to consider a different approach for this.
As I recall, there is someone here on Vogons, wich have started a thread or spreadsheet document.
Were we can see what type of cards that can do what in dos. Take a look at that and choose a card.

Now for the Voodoo part.
For this and to match the speed of V3, there is a slightly different sollution.
If you have the money and a way of getting it, then do a Voodoo2 SLI setup.
I know it is older, yet it could actually perform just as good for Voodoo gaming on a P5A.

I have to search for the thread for you. Posting it, when I have found it.
As it would give you a better overview of cards for Dos.

Found it.... Yet, not here on Vogons. I had it in my bookmarks, and must have remembered wrong about the Vogons-part.

http://gona.mactar.hu/DOS_TESTS/

EDIT:
Sorry "swaaye", missed to see that you have posted the link too.... 😁

swaaye wrote:

AGP on Aladdin V isn't very stable. Voodoo3 is one of the most reliable cards for Super 7 AGP. For DOS games though you could try a Riva 128 or some S3 card if you like. They have excellent DOS compatibility.

http://gona.mactar.hu/DOS_TESTS/

Did they not fix that in the latest revisions. Like E or F revision of Ali-V ?
Just remember that I had a Gigabyte GA-5AX back in the late 90's, wich were completely rock stable on K6-2-500 and TNT2-M64-AGP.
That board was a revision 4.X or something, and thus it was slow, it never ever needed to be rebooted.
Ran that board for day's on end, were other machines had to be rebooted a couple of times before mine.
Yes it was slow, and I totally changed it for an athlon in 2003/04. On the other hand, I had only 32mb RAM for Win98 and D3d gaming.
Eighter it was the AGP card, or it was the lack of memory that made the machine slow.

Is the AGP Voodoo 3 a good card for "buggy AGP boards" because it doesn't use any AGP features? That would make sense.

According to Gona's list Voodoo3 is not bad for DOS at all, but he didn't test for Terminal Velocity. Do you use a TFT or CRT? TFTs sometimes have trouble with old DOS games and some video cards, see Gona's list.
Re Ali-V: I did put a GF2MX in a GA-5AX, ran fine, but I only tried some very light gaming (TR2). Don't remember the revision.

I guess you're looking for a card with support for accelerated DOS games? Which mainly means Voodoo I guess.
But otherwise, the newest card that works in my Pentium II AGP2x system (Asus P2B-LS board) is an ATi Radeon 8500. Should also work in your P5A system I suppose, as it is from the same era.

idspispopd wrote:

According to Gona's list Voodoo3 is not bad for DOS at all, but he didn't test for Terminal Velocity. Do you use a TFT or CRT? TFTs sometimes have trouble with old DOS games and some video cards, see Gona's list.
Re Ali-V: I did put a GF2MX in a GA-5AX, ran fine, but I only tried some very light gaming (TR2). Don't remember the revision.

Terminal Velocity works fine as far as I can tell. Granted, I've never tried it on anything else than a Voodoo3.

I use in my P5A a Quadro2 Pro and V2 SLI with AGP driver 1.9 (I think the latest). Works completely stable with this settings:

Just to see further proof that my Gainward Geforce 2 Ti is AGP 2X compatible, I've went ahead and tested it on a couple of mobos, a Soltek SL-61C and an Intel SE-440BX2 (I think they're both AGP 2X boards). Both started up and passed POST just fine. That's as far as I've gotten. Unfortunately, I don't have a spare board, especially one that's similar (or sort of) to my ASUS P5A.

meljor wrote:

Nfs se could be a memory problem? I play that game even on my tualatin 1400 with v5 agp and win98se, should not be a problem on your voodoo3. (same goes for nfs2 se, nfs3 etc.)

All of my other video cards (e.g. S3 Trio 64V+) work with NFSSE just fine. As far as I've read, there is no fix whatsoever to get this game running properly on a Voodoo 3, aside from switching video acceleration back and forth which is the only solution I found online and not one I would want to go through just to play the game.

meljor wrote:

In my p5a system i use a geforce2Ti along with v2 sli and it works fine. Make sure you install the right agp driver for this board as it otherwise can be troublesome with agp cards. I use the 1.72 agp driver and win98se.

Just out of curiosity, does it matter which mobo revision it is? Mine is 1.06.

jwt27 wrote:

idspispopd wrote:

According to Gona's list Voodoo3 is not bad for DOS at all, but he didn't test for Terminal Velocity. Do you use a TFT or CRT? TFTs sometimes have trouble with old DOS games and some video cards, see Gona's list.
Re Ali-V: I did put a GF2MX in a GA-5AX, ran fine, but I only tried some very light gaming (TR2). Don't remember the revision.

Terminal Velocity works fine as far as I can tell. Granted, I've never tried it on anything else than a Voodoo3.

As shown in my video, I do get the fuzzy effect on the 3D Realms logo and the main menu, but in gameplay which I haven't shown, it works just fine. I even tried to see if sticking a fan in there would help considering that the card does indeed run hot. It may have probably ran the V3 a bit cooler, but the fuzzy effect's still there.

Dang it! Did a Google search of the ALI AGP Drivers (both 1.72 and 1.9) and so far I couldn't find a legit download and the links that I found are broken. All I could find was this. It contains version 2.14 for Windows 98SE/ME.

Google is not the whole internet: ftp://78.46.141.148/driver/Ali/

Ok. So, I went ahead and put the GF2TI into my P5A and it passed POST and booted into Windows just fine. Though, I tried to run the benchmark program that I have, which is 3D Mark 99, and it crashed the moment I started the test. I have yet to test out all of my games. I have the ALI AGP Version 1.9 and latest Nvidia drivers for Windows 98SE (71.83) installed.

EDIT: Tried to launch at least three 3D games (Flight Simulators 98 and 2000 and Monster Truck Madness 2). All of them either crashed or froze on me. What am I doing wrong? I've also noticed that it's a bit jumpy at times in Windows.

philscomputerlab wrote:

Is the AGP Voodoo 3 a good card for "buggy AGP boards" because it doesn't use any AGP features? That would make sense.

Yep.

Plus with a K6 you want to use Glide if only because it has less CPU overhead.

DoomGuy II wrote:

Ok. So, I went ahead and put the GF2TI into my P5A and it passed POST and booted into Windows just fine. Though, I tried to run the benchmark program that I have, which is 3D Mark 99, and it crashed the moment I started the test. I have yet to test out all of my games. I have the ALI AGP Version 1.9 and latest Nvidia drivers for Windows 98SE (71.83) installed.

EDIT: Tried to launch at least three 3D games (Flight Simulators 98 and 2000 and Monster Truck Madness 2). All of them either crashed or froze on me. What am I doing wrong? I've also noticed that it's a bit jumpy at times in Windows.

I have seen those same problems myself on P5A on various occasions, even back when GF2 GTS was new. You could try much older drivers. Whichever the earliest with Geforce 2Ti support might be (it was a late GF2 release). Don't hold your breath though. Geforce 1/2 cards were trouble on a lot of non Intel chipsets. It's possible that one of the Geforce or Radeon cards with supplemental power would be more stable but I don't think it's worthwhile for a K6....

The other issue is it might seem stable but not be. Say it locks up, crashes or reboots every 30-60 minutes in a game. That's annoying. Just use a Voodoo for 3D.