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Reply 1280 of 27625, by idspispopd

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Skyscraper wrote:

Quake demo1 at 233 Mhz with a Matrox Mystique 4MB and a SB AWE 64: 46 FPS. Its not a very impressive score but I guess Quake is one of few games running faster on a vanilla Pentium at the same clock speed. The 512 KB CPU adds 4 FPS to the score and gets 50.1 FPS at 233 Mhz.

That's true only if you don't use fastvid or similar utilities. Mystique should support VBE 2.0.
From http://www.gamers.org/dEngine/quake/info/techinfo.091:
"Pentium Pro Performance
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The Pentium Pro is a very fast Quake platform, but has one weak spot; it is
by default very slow on writes to video memory. This means that in default
hardware configurations, you are usually much better off setting
vid_nopageflip to 1 if you use VESA modes, so drawing is done to system
memory instead of to video memory. Remember that you must set the mode
after setting vid_nopageflip to 1 in order to get vid_nopageflip to take
effect. (vid_nopageflip can sometimes be faster on a Pentium, too, but
not by nearly as much in general, and it's often slower.)

The Pentium Pro has some special features that are not turned on by default,
but which can help Quake performance a LOT. These features can be enabled
by John Hinkley's program FASTVID, which can be obtained from
ftp://members.aol.com/JHinkley/fastvid.zip. Performance in 640x480
mode on a Pentium Pro/150 nearly doubled after FASTVID was run; Quake
was very playable (and looked great!) at this resolution."

See also 133 MHz Challenge - 5th/6th gen CPU per clock performance

Reply 1281 of 27625, by Splinter

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Took an old machine in as part exchange the other day and I'm glad I did as these are not easy to find down here.
Suffice to say that they've found a new home in the V2 SLI rig.
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Reply 1282 of 27625, by brostenen

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Did a build around the GA-5AX board. (pictures will follow, as the build is ongoing)
Actually, I might do a complete clone of my Zitech machine from back then.
And make it evolve to what I wanted back then. I have the parts for both approaches.

Anyway.
Right now the specs are:

Gigabyte GA-5AX.
K6-2 500.
128mb single sided Kingston PC-100.
Compaq TNT2-Ultra 32mb AGP.
St-labs SIL649 ATA-100 PCI raid card.
Creative AWE64 Gold
Maxtor Sata-150 40gb HDD with sata to pata converter.
52xCD-Rom.
Alps FDD.

Going to make a separate thread about my Zitech remake.

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Reply 1283 of 27625, by darksheer

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Received those switchs today :

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Replaced all previous power switchs of my new bought atx cases (with AT hardware inside but using ATX psu with an AT adapter) to get back the old AT case power button feeling 😀

Actual cases used for my retro hardware (would prefer period correct cases but after more than 5 years search, I only found a few and it was too much expensive for my taste) :

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Reply 1284 of 27625, by ODwilly

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Helping a family member upgrade a Dell Inspiron 530 Mini Tower. Core 2 Quad Q6600 to a Q9650 and going to add in a 250gb SSD plus a HD7350 that I have on hand.

Main pc: Asus ROG 17. R9 5900HX, RTX 3070m, 16gb ddr4 3200, 1tb NVME.
Retro PC: Soyo P4S Dragon, 3gb ddr 266, 120gb Maxtor, Geforce Fx 5950 Ultra, SB Live! 5.1

Reply 1285 of 27625, by ratfink

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Turned on my socket 7 system, on my spaghetti mess of chain-linked KVMs, to see how much of a mess I'd left DOS in. Beeps and whirrs but can't get a display output, tried all combinations and checked it's all plugged in properly. Damned old hardware. I recently transplanted this into what used to be my main PC case, because it's the one remaining case I have that can take full length cards and I was thinking GUS Classic and AWE32 [resource nightmare I expect]. Weighs a ton, which is why it's not my main case any more. Has a kind of Alien face on the front door [with light up LEDs, half of which don't work now] and various fans and LEDs. Now I've set it alongside my other cases I see just how big it is - it pretty much dwarfs my Antex GX700 and Aerocool DS-whatever. Built-in USB. Seems a bit weird, I bought NEW it in the Athlon XP era, it's clearly a gaming case, but there would have been precious few full-length cards relevant to gamers, and it doesn't look like you'd have it as a workstation. It's this one, only mine is metallic blue and a bit worn:

http://www.modthebox.com/reviews/atop/zalien/zalien3.jpg

Reply 1286 of 27625, by HighTreason

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Zenith SuperSport arrived. As I suspected, it isn't the SX version; I thought it would be the 286 version, but it has an 8088... Awesome! Not sure what I can do with that though as I've never owned one as such, I had an IBM 5150 years ago that had one but I sold it before I could do much with it. Still, pretty cool to have a good 8088 system and it seems to be completely working, so now I arguably own something from near enough every generation.

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Reply 1287 of 27625, by carlostex

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darksheer wrote:
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Received those switchs today :

$_55.JPG

Replaced all previous power switchs of my new bought atx cases (with AT hardware inside but using ATX psu with an AT adapter) to get back the old AT case power button feeling 😀

Are those switches momentary on/off like the RESET or ATX switches, or do they stay on and off permanently like the old turbo switches? If they do stay permanentely i'll be interested in them as well, i think i'll use them for FSB settings instead of jumpers.

Reply 1288 of 27625, by Skyscraper

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Today Im reinstalling NT 4 on my dual Pentium Pro system to (hopefully) restore the USB functionality. Im using the "i4usb406.exe" driver package and this package dosnt like any hardware changes once installed.

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I did the reinstall without formatting the disk as my 8GB NTFS partition is too large to be supported by the built in disk tools, I prepared this disk late 2013 with the help of another NT4 system I do not have at hand. USB still dosnt work although Im pretty sure I installed everything in the same order as last time I installed NT4. I will have to find another disk and install Windows 2000 just to make sure the ports still work or if I somehow killed them hotswapping USB sticks.

Edit.

Installing Windows 2000 from my retail disc from... year 2000 diddnt work at all... Disk I/O Error: Status = 00001000... Haha f**k you for thinking a 40GB disk with no partitions is suitable for prancy Win2k.
Lucky enough I found a bootleg disc with SP4 and it diddnt find the Maxtor 40GB disk as unappealing and I will soon know if the USB ports work or not.

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Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 1289 of 27625, by retrofanatic

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carlostex wrote:
darksheer wrote:
Received those switchs today : […]
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Received those switchs today :

$_55.JPG

Replaced all previous power switchs of my new bought atx cases (with AT hardware inside but using ATX psu with an AT adapter) to get back the old AT case power button feeling 😀

Are those switches momentary on/off like the RESET or ATX switches, or do they stay on and off permanently like the old turbo switches? If they do stay permanentely i'll be interested in them as well, i think i'll use them for FSB settings instead of jumpers.

I would like to know this as well. If they are indeed the type that stay on and off (NOT Momentary), I would like to know where you got them?

Reply 1290 of 27625, by Skyscraper

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With Windows 2000 SP4 installed I can safely say that the USB ports on my Intel PR440FX board work just fine. I guess I will have to prepare a new clean disk for Windows NT 4...

I think I will use Windows 2000 SP4 for a while though just to see how slow it runs 😁

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Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 1291 of 27625, by kithylin

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Is LGA-775 era retro enough to be in this thread? Guess I may as well go ahead and post this.

Totally re-built and re-designed the water system in my 775. Now including a second radiator (blue one), and the two GTX 470's in the loop. (Before it was just the big black radiator and CPU Only loop.)

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Reply 1292 of 27625, by smeezekitty

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I wouldn't consider 775 retro but it's certainly not the first time that modern stuff has been posted here.
That's a big water cooler. It looks borg like with the hoses on the outside. Is that an Asrock board?

Reply 1293 of 27625, by ODwilly

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Relocated my dual socket 370 system to another case and putting a scrap 939 system in the old case. 2.0ghz Opteron dual core w/4gb of ram and a 8800gtx should make for a pretty good web browser/older game playing system. Plus the mainboard is great for overclocking! Bump the clocks up a bit and have some fun 😀

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Retro PC: Soyo P4S Dragon, 3gb ddr 266, 120gb Maxtor, Geforce Fx 5950 Ultra, SB Live! 5.1

Reply 1294 of 27625, by kithylin

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smeezekitty wrote:

I wouldn't consider 775 retro but it's certainly not the first time that modern stuff has been posted here.
That's a big water cooler. It looks borg like with the hoses on the outside. Is that an Asrock board?

GA-EP45-UD3P v1.6 LGA-775 AMD CrossFireX motherboard.

And it needs it for sure, the nvidia 400 series cards were some insanely hot beasts. Even water cooled and with all this radiator, it still runs 50c-52c core temps on the cars when gaming. Which is perfectly fine.. considering when the GTX 470's came out on factory air coolers they were running something like 80c-95c average gaming temps, and nvidia said this was by design and it was normal.

Reply 1295 of 27625, by badmojo

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kithylin wrote:

Totally re-built and re-designed the water system in my 775. Now including a second radiator (blue one), and the two GTX 470's in the loop. (Before it was just the big black radiator and CPU Only loop.)

Good lord in heaven, what an amazing setup! Photo session in the shower? Does it leak??

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Reply 1296 of 27625, by kithylin

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badmojo wrote:
kithylin wrote:

Totally re-built and re-designed the water system in my 775. Now including a second radiator (blue one), and the two GTX 470's in the loop. (Before it was just the big black radiator and CPU Only loop.)

Good lord in heaven, what an amazing setup! Photo session in the shower? Does it leak??

I built it in the bathroom, no coincidence 😁 But no, no leaks first run. First water system I built in to this thing in spring 2014, ran it daily until yesterday, no leaks not even a drop since the day I built it. This tower was totally -NOT- designed for water cooling.. I've.... adapted it though. 😎

Short summary: custom water loop in a tower not designed for it, running nvidia SLI on an AMD CrossFireX-only motherboard (with modified software, yes, it does work), using an intel xeon CPU in a modified cpu socket with a sticker in a desktop board. :> Cooled partially with some tubing I got from the hardware store.

Everything they say we're not supposed to do, I do it because.. screw the system and the conventional way of building computers.

EDIT: I think I have my own thread dedicated to this system here somewhere, I should probably be posting in there.

EDIT #2: Found my thread on this system and updated it. Any further questions about this can be continued over there so we don't de-rail this thread. Ultimate DirectX-9 Setup

Reply 1298 of 27625, by Skyscraper

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I want to add some games to my benchmark disk I move from system to system. The games I want to add are games I own but havnt played lately, Diablo 3 and World of Warcraft.

I noted that blizzard has become a bit too obsessed with security so I had to buy an authenticator or my account would get locked as soon as my hardware changes 😜

World of warcraft perhaps isnt considered a retro game but it was released in 2004 with pretty low system requirements. The vanilla version needs a P3 800 MHz, 256MB memory, a Geforce 2 GTS 32MB and 3.2GB free HDD space. The latest expansion needs a Core 2 Duo E6600 or a Phenom X3 8750, 1Gb memory and a 8800GT/HD4850 which makes me wonder how badly it will run on a Netburst or K8 system... I tried the last expansion when it was released 3 years ago using a Pentium 4 3066@3450MHz, 1Gb memory and a Radeon X1950 Pro 256MB. The game ran perfectly fine even though the system diddnt meet the system requirements so perhaps the latest expansion also will run decently on old slow systems...

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Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 1299 of 27625, by alexanrs

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/\ WoW performance varies a lot depending on the área you are in. Also, RAIDs used to bring my Athlon64 to its knees in WotLK and in Cataclysm my Pentium D 925 was already showing it age, and performance greatly improved (even on a DDR2 GT8600 and using a cheap VIA-based chipset w/o Dual Channel) when I upgraded to a Core2Duo E6700