Cool machine! I would upgrade RAM, add a oundcard, and maybe add a hard drive or CF card. Otherwise, keep it that way. DX-50 is cool in it's own right.

brassicGamer wrote:

And the DX-50 is definitely the one to have from that era. Surprised there's no VLB on the board though.

The DX-50 predates the VLB era, and considering the VLB bus, depending on the indivdual cards, sometimes has problems even running at 40 MHz, you can see why it is hopeless running at 50 MHz. I think that was one of the reasons for the introduction of the DX2-50.

brassicGamer wrote:

Gamecollector wrote:

Bought Radeon 9100 128 MB card for replacing of my old trusty Manli Radeon 8500LE

I can't remember what model it was exactly, but I purchased a replacement for my 8500 when it started to struggle and made the mistake of going 'cheap'. When I benchmarked, whatever I had bought (must have been a 9000 or 9700 - I thought the '9' meant it was automatically a generation better!) was so pathetic I sent it back and carried on with my 8500. Still my favourite ever card.

9000 then (basically a cost-reduced 8500 with lower power consumption, but also lower performance), 9700 is much faster than an 8500.
ATI's idea at the time was that the first digit should indicate the DirectX level.
That is true for some cards - 7200 and 7500 are DX7, 8500 is DX8, 9500/9700/9600/9800 are DX9.
But 9000/9100/9200/9250 are DX8. 9100 is basically the same as 8500LE (8500 with lower clocks) but AGP 8x, 9200 is same as 9000 with lower clocks and AGP8x (9000 Pro has higher clocks than plain 9000, those come with a fan), 9250 and 9200 SE are clocked even lower than 9200.
8500 needs a fan, also 8500LE and 9100.

brassicGamer wrote:

Classic! Decided not to attach it though? 😉

That case it very cool. And the DX-50 is definitely the one to have from that era. Surprised there's no VLB on the board though. No ill-effects from the barrel battery then?

Nar I'm keeping it all for myself 😵 There was a cool demo on the HDD too - can't remember the name of it now - that might be of interest to folks here. I'll upload it at some point.

The battery has started to attack the surrounding tracks but obviously hasn't cut any of them yet given the machine runs (or ran, I've dismantled it now). I'll de-solder it and give the board a good clean and it should live to fight another day.

havli wrote:

R8500 / 8500 LE / 9100 are indeed very similar. Usually specs are following: R8500 = 64 MB, 275/550 MHz R8500 LE = 64/128 MB, 25 […]
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R8500 / 8500 LE / 9100 are indeed very similar. Usually specs are following:
R8500 = 64 MB, 275/550 MHz
R8500 LE = 64/128 MB, 250/400-500 MHz
R9100 = same as 8500 LE

I clearly remember my first videocard being 8500 non-SE, non-LE 32MB...

In fairness, he did say usually.

EDIT: And I think you may be misremembering, unless it was a cut-down special; a quick Google search doesn't turn up any obvious 32MB 8500s.

My new baby! Grabbed it for just 9 Euro! Lacie Electron19BlueIV weighing in at ~25kg 🤣 . It really is something, it can even do 1920x1440! Just needs a little cleaning and we're rocking 😀.

Beautiful Fabian! I still wanna find the 22" version of that beast!

More fuel for my Cyrix obssession. ECS P5SD-AS super 7 motherboard with SiS 6326, ESS Audiodrive 1896F soundcard on board, even has TV out. Seems to be a nice well laid out board, all jumpers are clearly silkscreened and it is running the PCi bus at 33 Mhz even when FSB is 83mhz or 100mhz. Came with 2x 64Mb dimms and the IBM 6x86MX pr333.

F2bnp wrote:

My new baby! Grabbed it for just 9 Euro! Lacie Electron19BlueIV weighing in at ~25kg :lol: . It really is something, it can ev […]
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My new baby! Grabbed it for just 9 Euro! Lacie Electron19BlueIV weighing in at ~25kg 🤣 . It really is something, it can even do 1920x1440! Just needs a little cleaning and we're rocking 😀.

There is one in our local OLX site

http://olx.pt/anuncio/monitor-pc-sony-e-lacie … html#01a7597cfe

Unfortunately it's 350km away 🙁

That's too bad 🙁. Perhaps it's time you called in a day trip 😜.

BSA Starfire wrote:

More fuel for my Cyrix obssession. ECS P5SD-AS super 7 motherboard with SiS 6326, ESS Audiodrive 1896F soundcard on board, even […]
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More fuel for my Cyrix obssession. ECS P5SD-AS super 7 motherboard with SiS 6326, ESS Audiodrive 1896F soundcard on board, even has TV out. Seems to be a nice well laid out board, all jumpers are clearly silkscreened and it is running the PCi bus at 33 Mhz even when FSB is 83mhz or 100mhz. Came with 2x 64Mb dimms and the IBM 6x86MX pr333.

Very cool, most motherboards from that era were AT with optional ATX connectors, if this had an AGP port would have been perfect.

NEC PowerVR PCX2 - Videologic Apocalypse 3Dx 4MB PCI (Boxed) (1997)

$1.

It was dead at the booth and when I brought it home it was still dead. Turned on, spun the disc up and never went ready. Gave it a shake, let the disc speed recover and it read fine. 🤣
Played a CD flawlessly too. Now I gotta dig around and see if I can find the fancy PCMCIA to SCSI card for it.

BSA Starfire wrote:

More fuel for my Cyrix obssession. ECS P5SD-AS super 7 motherboard with SiS 6326, ESS Audiodrive 1896F soundcard on board, even […]
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6x86mx333.JPG

More fuel for my Cyrix obssession. ECS P5SD-AS super 7 motherboard with SiS 6326, ESS Audiodrive 1896F soundcard on board, even has TV out. Seems to be a nice well laid out board, all jumpers are clearly silkscreened and it is running the PCi bus at 33 Mhz even when FSB is 83mhz or 100mhz. Came with 2x 64Mb dimms and the IBM 6x86MX pr333.

Good board. I have one, because Time Computers used them, so still have the whole case and all. They used a Cyrix with them too... That same one actually. The SiS 6326 is not to everyone's tastes though.

The only thing I would say is mine had stability problems in 98 First Edition, but that seems to be specific to the OS and let's face it, First Edition was shit anyway.

HighTreason wrote:

BSA Starfire wrote:

More fuel for my Cyrix obssession. ECS P5SD-AS super 7 motherboard with SiS 6326, ESS Audiodrive 1896F soundcard on board, even […]
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p5sb.JPG

6x86mx333.JPG

More fuel for my Cyrix obssession. ECS P5SD-AS super 7 motherboard with SiS 6326, ESS Audiodrive 1896F soundcard on board, even has TV out. Seems to be a nice well laid out board, all jumpers are clearly silkscreened and it is running the PCi bus at 33 Mhz even when FSB is 83mhz or 100mhz. Came with 2x 64Mb dimms and the IBM 6x86MX pr333.

Good board. I have one, because Time Computers used them, so still have the whole case and all. They used a Cyrix with them too... That same one actually. The SiS 6326 is not to everyone's tastes though.

The only thing I would say is mine had stability problems in 98 First Edition, but that seems to be specific to the OS and let's face it, First Edition was shit anyway.

🤣, so this is another TIME then!!! I have a complete TIME system with MSi ALi Aladdin 5 and another Cyrix MII 333, that one has a ATi RAGE PRO & SB vibra 16, tiny little board that one tho, pics here

DVD player for Cyrix MII, Rage PRO on Windows ME

, seems to be a few months newer according to BIOS date than the ECS, however the ECS does not have the TIME branded BIOS like the MSi does.
Liking this ECS board so far, 1mb cache is a bit of a luxury on socket 7. I do like the SiS 6326 too, this one has 4 MB dedicated on the board, it has none of the image quality and over bright issues of some S3 cards(out of the 7 S3 cards I own, only two arent unusably overbright, the Diamond Stealth 968 VRAM & an unbranded ViRGE 325). I've never had any issues with SiS for 2D & the 3D is pretty decent for a budget card, at least compared to ViRGE or early MATROX.
I'll post some scores on Phil's VGA benchmarks later on for comparison with the ALi that is already up.
Could you post of pic of your TIME case Hightreason? would be interesting to see. I'm running ME, SiS drivers from Vintage3D it is working great.
Best,
Chris

oerk wrote:

The DX-50 predates the VLB era, and considering the VLB bus, depending on the indivdual cards, sometimes has problems even running at 40 MHz, you can see why it is hopeless running at 50 MHz. I think that was one of the reasons for the introduction of the DX2-50.

I had a 486DX-50 system with VLB back in 1991. My Promise IDE card and Diamond Stealth (S3 Vision) VLB cards worked fine at 50 MHz.

idspispopd wrote:

9000 then (basically a cost-reduced 8500 with lower power consumption, but also lower performance), 9700 is much faster than an […]
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9000 then (basically a cost-reduced 8500 with lower power consumption, but also lower performance), 9700 is much faster than an 8500.
ATI's idea at the time was that the first digit should indicate the DirectX level.
That is true for some cards - 7200 and 7500 are DX7, 8500 is DX8, 9500/9700/9600/9800 are DX9.
But 9000/9100/9200/9250 are DX8. 9100 is basically the same as 8500LE (8500 with lower clocks) but AGP 8x, 9200 is same as 9000 with lower clocks and AGP8x (9000 Pro has higher clocks than plain 9000, those come with a fan), 9250 and 9200 SE are clocked even lower than 9200.
8500 needs a fan, also 8500LE and 9100.

There are more advantages of Radeon 9100. It supports both PAL and NTSC (there is a jumper on the PCB). And the standard memory size for Radeon 9100s is 128 MB. (Well, if you search - you will find 64 MB ones and even with the 64-bit bus. Sapphire is your best friend for such cards...)
The standard disadvantages - don't know about a 9100 with the second RAMDAC. So - no dual-monitor output. And many vendors lower the memory frequency.
And no, Radeon 9100 still uses Agp 4x.

Artex wrote:

NEC PowerVR PCX2 - Videologic Apocalypse 3Dx 4MB PCI (Boxed) (1997)

Congratulations for the find! It is kind of uncommon seeing boxed PVR cards for sale other than the Matrox M3D these days.

Lukeno94 wrote:

In fairness, he did say usually.

EDIT: And I think you may be misremembering, unless it was a cut-down special; a quick Google search doesn't turn up any obvious 32MB 8500s.

I have also never heard of a 32MB 8500. Only 64MB or 128MB.
9000 OTOH does come with 32MB, especially the mobile variant. The memory interface is reduced to 64-bit in that case.

Gamecollector wrote:

There are more advantages of Radeon 9100. It supports both PAL and NTSC (there is a jumper on the PCB). And the standard memory size for Radeon 9100s is 128 MB. (Well, if you search - you will find 64 MB ones and even with the 64-bit bus. Sapphire is your best friend for such cards...)
The standard disadvantages - don't know about a 9100 with the second RAMDAC. So - no dual-monitor output. And many vendors lowers the memory frequency.
And no, Radeon 9100 still uses Agp 4x.

You are probably right. The codename is still R200 so it should be the same chip. Stuff like PAL/NTSC shouldn't depend on the chip, it's just a decision if a jumper is included on the board. Isn't the mode usually selectable in software? The last time I used TV-Out was with a TNT2 so I don't remember exactly.

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Allright, I give: what's the reverse PCI slot at the bottom of this thing? I'm aware of 3.3V PCI slots but they're not offset towards the back of the board like that one is. It looks like you could stick a normal PCI card up-side-down in there if you took off the end plate?