Unless somebody upgraded the PSU in that thing, it is only 250w.

It should be able to take a standard ATX PSU.

What CPU is in it?

Any fast AGP card is going to be bottlenecked by a Pentium IV.

Fastest available was the ATI HD3850. (Some may say the HD4670), but you will be severely bottlenecked by the CPU.

I would go for something more like the nVidia 7800GS, 7900GS, or 7950GT and even that maybe bottlenecked quite a bit by the CPU.

Either way, IMO, you are going to want to upgrade the PSU in order to use a faster video card.

As you are running XP, I would make sure to have at least 1GB of RAM as below that XP sucks.

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Unless somebody upgraded the PSU in that thing, it is only 250w.

It should be able to take a standard ATX PSU.

What CPU is in it?

Any fast AGP card is going to be bottlenecked by a Pentium IV.

Fastest available was the ATI HD3850. (Some may say the HD4670), but you will be severely bottlenecked by the CPU.

I would go for something more like the nVidia 7800GS, 7900GS, or 7950GT and even that maybe bottlenecked quite a bit by the CPU.

Either way, IMO, you are going to want to upgrade the PSU in order to use a faster video card.

As you are running XP, I would make sure to have at least 1GB of RAM as below that XP sucks.

pentium 4 2.62 Im upgrading the ram to 1gb

it can take standerd atx ? its top mounted Im concerned about putting a modern psu in it as it looks propriatary

I was going to do windows 98 but I dont know dos and windows 98 is a bit expensive right now

I need a card that is 4x compatible, Im not looking for anything high performance just something that can run old games with joy sticks and such, if I want to run games like oblivion I have my main desktop for that

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I need a card that is 4x compatible, Im not looking for anything high performance just something that can run old games with joy sticks and such, if I want to run games like oblivion I have my main desktop for that

Any AGP 8x card is also 4x compatible.

I'd suggest a GeForce 6600. it's a decent complement to that CPU.

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elderago wrote:

I need a card that is 4x compatible, Im not looking for anything high performance just something that can run old games with joy sticks and such, if I want to run games like oblivion I have my main desktop for that

Any AGP 8x card is also 4x compatible.

I'd suggest a GeForce 6600. it's a decent complement to that CPU.

I didnt know that I thought only 4x agp slot werent compatbile with 8x unless it was a hybrid

I found a power supply thats rated for about 430 would that work ? apperantly the current one is 230

Ratings on power supplies mean nothing unless it is a good brand. What brand is that 430 you are looking at?

The 4550 uses a standard ATX power supply. The cables on the Dell one are just really short.

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Ratings on power supplies mean nothing unless it is a good brand. What brand is that 430 you are looking at?

The 4550 uses a standard ATX power supply. The cables on the Dell one are just really short.

I was looking at thishttps://www.cputopia.com/products/hp-400w-del … AyABEgKq2_D_BwE

I suppose if any atx power supply will work Ill just get an 80 plus bronze

Yeah, I wouldn't touch that power supply with a 10-foot pole.

Seasonic is my go-to brand.

It used to be Antec, but they had crappy capacitor issues back when I was using them.

cyclone3d wrote:

Yeah, I wouldn't touch that power supply with a 10-foot pole.

Seasonic is my go-to brand.

It used to be Antec, but they had crappy capacitor issues back when I was using them.

fair enough I was looking for something comparable, with a back fan, Iwas concerned the power supply would over heat since to psu sits on top of the case, but after looking at it I realized the psu was just screwed in and a new power supply would be fine
Found this one look compatible AND comes with a floppy connectorhttps://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?I … wE&gclsrc=aw.ds

That one should be fine.

I generally buy used or NOS ones off of eBay. A lot cheaper that way.
But modular is really nice to have.

I had similar MSI GeForce 4: mx440 in 2002 costed around 50-70€ it didn't play GTA III=3 well at all. Geforce 4 don't have directx9 !
- So I had to upgrade it to MSI GeForce 5: FX5600 in 2003 under 150€. Much better.

My museum piece 2006-era computer has AGP Sapphire HD3650 that I bought for 10€ in 2017.
- It can do HD resolution games and is a lot better than those older cards ever were.
Still it can't handle Unreal Tournament 3 2008 at FullHD.

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I had similar MSI GeForce 4: mx440 in 2002 costed around 50-70€ it didn't play GTA III=3 well at all. Geforce 4 don't have directx9 !
- So I had to upgrade it to MSI GeForce 5: FX5600 in 2003 under 150€. Much better.

My museum piece 2006-era computer has AGP Sapphire HD3650 that I bought for 10€ in 2017.
- It can do HD resolution games and is a lot better than those older cards ever were.
Still it can't handle Unreal Tournament 3 2008 at FullHD.

yeah Im being realistic I dont want to play high end games on that computer, I have my main computer for that (core i5 4670k gtx 1070ti 16 gb of ram)

I just want to play older games on it, like arcanum, star wars pod racer system shock 2 etc without weird resolution issues (those games look weird on a 27 inch 2560x1440p monitor). and also be able to use joy sticks and such

You can easily play FullHD games made under 2010 on AGP if a high end ATI HD3xxx- or HD4xxx-series is bought.
Even my cheap low end HD3650 card can play HD quality 3D games from 2005-era.

For pure power I would only buy best 2007 HD3xxx- or 2008 HD4xxx AGP.
Put they cost premium 70-150euros at ebay.

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You can easily play FullHD games made under 2010 on AGP if a high end ATI HD3xxx- or HD4xxx-series is bought.
Even my cheap low end HD3650 card can play HD quality 3D games from 2005-era.

For pure power I would only buy best 2007 HD3xxx- or 2008 HD4xxx AGP.
Put they cost premium 70-150euros at ebay.

Im actuallyuy looking to use it to play games from 2005 and before. I am using gog games as they are drm free and I can easily load them onto a usb drive and install them onto the computer, I do plan on buying some physical copies though.

I had a similar idea. Ultimately I ended up playing reproduced .GOG games with my "modern" computer.
- Since GOG-games work on Win7,10 and any modern resolution all you need is max.power.
- I think no pre 2010 machines provide enough power for perfect 3D game GOG-experience.

I tried Carmageddon GOG-FullHD all settings high (Repro 1997 game)
- With my 2011+ build and it still had some little performance issues.
AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz Black
Gigabyte HD5870 1GB
RAM 8GB

For me to build a senseful retro gaming PC it only makes sense to build a Win98 machine or lower. Win:XP, 7, 10 builds are all the same.

It sounds like you just need to find patches or fixes for the games you want to play so they can work on your main desktop. You might be building a machine for no real reason.

elderago wrote:

I suppose if any atx power supply will work Ill just get an 80 plus bronze

If you havent already bought that Seasonic and want to save $30 Id suggest the EVGA 430watt. It received pretty good reviews from Johnny Guru and has been my go to cheap psu. Usually $30 on Newegg