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First post, by GiSWiG

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I'm getting a 'Hardware Monitor' error on boot. I check the BIOS and the -5V is showing -6.14 in red.
I replaced an ASUS P2B-F with this P3B-F. The P2B-F with the same PSU did not error.

Here is what is listed for the voltages:
VCORE 2.00V
+3.3 3.46V
+5V 4.90V
+12V 12.16V
-12V -11.76V
-5V -6.14V <- in RED

All except the -5V are in blue and therefore normal.

Here is what is in the system now:
PII 400
3Dfx Voodoo 3 3000 AGP
USB 2.0 card
Adaptec SATA 150 card
Sound Blaster 32 ISA
IDE DVD Drive
120GB SSD

Power Supply EVGA 450BT 450W
Label on PSU
+5V 18amp
+3.3V 18amp
+12V 35amp
-12V 0.3amp
+5Vsb 2.5amp

Should I be concerned?

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Reply 1 of 13, by The Serpent Rider

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Should I be concerned?

YOU SHOULD PANIC!

On more serious note: -5v is used only for really old or/and obscure ISA cards, so it's nothing to worry about. Your PSU is just too new to provide -5v line.

I must be some kind of standard: the anonymous gangbanger of the 21st century.

Reply 2 of 13, by GiSWiG

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The Serpent Rider wrote:

Should I be concerned?

YOU SHOULD PANIC!

On more serious note: -5v is used only for really old or/and obscure ISA cards, so it's nothing to worry about. Your PSU is just too new to provide -5v line.

So on a "even more serious note", you think the the Sound blaster 32 should be fine?
I'm not going to be really using the machine for the next few days . I have a Corsair PSU I can switch from another PC that is built to be a modern Win98 PC (Athlon 64 754).

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Reply 3 of 13, by The Serpent Rider

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the the Sound blaster 32 should be fine?

Sound Blaster 32 does not require this rail.

I have a Corsair PSU I can switch from another PC

I seriously doubt it has -5v rail mentioned in specs. PSUs with -5v rail were last spotted around 2005-2006 and only in cheap OEM 250-350w models.

I must be some kind of standard: the anonymous gangbanger of the 21st century.

Reply 4 of 13, by xjas

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Why is it showing -6.1V instead of 0V? Something is either shorting/overvolting that line, or it's detecting it wrong. My ASUS P5A-B (different platform, same era) detects 0V on the -5V line just fine (have a modern PSU in it too) and throws a warning, but you can disable that in the BIOS.

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Reply 5 of 13, by canthearu

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If the -5v line is floating, not connected to anything, the sensor and traces will pick up electricsl noise / voltages from other parts of the system and report an essentially random value. If the -5v line was tied to ground with a lowish impedance path, then it work show 0v

Reply 7 of 13, by zyga64

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I don't know about P3B-F, but for MSI BX Master you can disable monitoring for particular voltages and fans in BIOS.
I did it for -5V, because my PSU don't provide it. Besides that board is working perfectly normal.

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Reply 8 of 13, by chinny22

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My P2B and Corsair PSU does the same, (errors, cant remember the readout) I've just set it to ignore as nothing is on the -5v rail

Reply 9 of 13, by SirNickity

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My P2B does as well, but it says 0V (or thereabouts), not an arbitrary voltage. I wonder if a card is back-feeding onto that rail?

Reply 10 of 13, by Katmai500

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Can confirm, my P3B-F (v1.03) does this as well with a newer PSU. No issues.

Reply 11 of 13, by frudi

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Maybe a BIOS update would get rid of the warnings? I don't have any Asus boards from that era to test, but my Gigabyte 6BXE also showed warnings on boot because of the random phantom -5V readings with a modern PSU and, more annoyingly, would continuously beep the pc speaker as a warning. A BIOS update to the latest version got rid of the alarm and warning for me and now the hardware monitor in BIOS shows -5V as simply not present, instead of the random negative values it read before the update.

Reply 12 of 13, by AlaricD

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Get a socket for the #425 E10 bulb (and, of course, the #425 bulb), and connect it to the -5V rail and ground, to put a load on that rail. It's a very low current (.25A) resistive load that may pull it down into reason. If there was something already using -5V, it might have already started reading close to the correct voltage, but it's just 'floating'.

You can also use a 5.8V or 6V E10 bulb, just make sure it's about .25 to .3A so it loads the -5V rail without overloading it.

Reply 13 of 13, by GiSWiG

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Thanks everyone for your help. In all my computer experience, I lack details on how power is delivered or used.

I'm not sure why my P2B did not error but its in a box now so I won't know at least for a while. This P3B-F is revision v1.03. I did flash the last beta BIOS on it which made no difference. At this point, I have disabled the warning.

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Thanks. I'm using the SB32 CT3670. Judging by that thread, I guess I'm safe. I wonder if there would be any issues with using an Audician 32 Plus?

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