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Building A Windows 98 SE Machine

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Reply 20 of 221, by The Serpant Rider

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Since they are dear to find and purchase them, what about others? In addition, how should I deal with for security such as virus infection due to the decline of support. Can you name the antivirus and firewall software for Win 98 SE?

P.S. What is the best CPU for Windows 98 SE?

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Когда сквозная паутина
Разносит нити ясных дней
И под окном у селянина
Далекий благовест слышней,

Мы не грустим, пугаясь снова
Дыханья близкого зимы,
А голос лета прожитого
Яснее понимаем мы.

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Reply 21 of 221, by kithylin

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I've never used anti-virus or firewall software in any of my Win98se machines and some I've had built and use regularly for several years now with no problems. You don't need a firewall for any machine if you're behind a router, generally nothing can get past routers unless you map ports in the first place. And anything you download from the internet, you can virus-scan it on a Win7 / modern machine before copying it in to the win98se machine over the network, that's what I do at least. Then you can check it all out with modern anti-virus scanners and definitions. Win98se is kinda slow already, I wouldn't want to cripple it further with running an AV all the time in the background. That's my personal choice, though.

Reply 22 of 221, by The Serpant Rider

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I see. You might be interested in using Kernelex that supports softwares which work only on new OSes. Which CPU is the best for my plan?

P.S. I am scared of viruses since I have been suffered a lot from them like trojan. It destroyed my BIOS and Win 32 that I had to format it again. (Vista PC)
You mean that I do not need to connect it to internet right?

ОСЕНЬЮ

Когда сквозная паутина
Разносит нити ясных дней
И под окном у селянина
Далекий благовест слышней,

Мы не грустим, пугаясь снова
Дыханья близкого зимы,
А голос лета прожитого
Яснее понимаем мы.

Афанасий Фет, 1870

Reply 23 of 221, by kithylin

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Ultimately it's up to you and it's your system, none of my computers in the house run Anti-Virus or firewall software. I use DDWRT for my router (software that runs on any x86 hardware) and it runs a full stateful-inspection firewall, and I've had no problems for a few years. If I want to download anything I suspect as suspicious, I can just download it to a WindowsXP machine inside a vmware instance with a virus scanner, scan it or run it (with network disabled) then once it's deemed safe and clean, enable network again and copy it out to my main computers and use it happily with no worries, and then I don't have to run clunky virus scanners on my main machines that slow em down.

Reply 24 of 221, by The Serpant Rider

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Got it. Luckily, I can found some Gigabyte's motherboards that supports P3 Tualatin on Ebay (Links: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_kw=Socket+370+gigabyte. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gigabyte-GA-6VXE7-Soc … =item25899f1e05). Let's discuss for futher progress tomorrow with some senior users like Mau1wurf1977. Can I be a friend with you and others? Thanks a lot 😊

ОСЕНЬЮ

Когда сквозная паутина
Разносит нити ясных дней
И под окном у селянина
Далекий благовест слышней,

Мы не грустим, пугаясь снова
Дыханья близкого зимы,
А голос лета прожитого
Яснее понимаем мы.

Афанасий Фет, 1870

Reply 25 of 221, by kithylin

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by the way... the GA-6VX7-4X would be a good option, cheap and supports the 1400-S, hrmmmm.... I'll save that to bookmarks for later. 😀

The GA-60XET for $80 would probably work, a bit pricey to me though.

And $200 is insanely expensive and out of the question when you could pick a Socket 462 board and a 1.4 ghz thunderbird chip and likely build the whole system for less than $200.

EDIT: I was wrong, I looked at the cpu support list and the GA-6VX7-4X lists "P3-Tualatin 1.4G" as supported.

Reply 26 of 221, by The Serpant Rider

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Hmm... it seems to be a waste of money. Futher discuss on tomorrow with you and some senior users. I did not finish my plan yet like cooler and power supplier. Is possible to multiboot with Linux for my PC?

ОСЕНЬЮ

Когда сквозная паутина
Разносит нити ясных дней
И под окном у селянина
Далекий благовест слышней,

Мы не грустим, пугаясь снова
Дыханья близкого зимы,
А голос лета прожитого
Яснее понимаем мы.

Афанасий Фет, 1870

Reply 27 of 221, by The Serpant Rider

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This is my 2nd attempt of planning a rig.

CPU: Athlon64 Socket 754 chips
Motherboard: Nforce3-150 Chipset
GPU: Geforce 6800 Ultra
Hard Drive: Western Digital HDD IDE 120GB
Floppy Drive: Not yet
Optical Drive: Not yet
Soundcard: Sound Blaster 16 (Not sure)
Case: IBM Thinkcentre
RAM: Kingstone 512 MB
Speakers: Not yet
Monitor: IBM Thinkvision C220P CRT monitor
Power Supply: Not yet
Mouse: Not yet
Keyboard: Not yet
Internet Card: Intel Pro-100 PCI , gig-E NIC
UPS: Not yet
Fan: Not yet
OSes: Windows 98 SE and Linux Mint

Please review and add more stuffs that I did not choose yet.

ОСЕНЬЮ

Когда сквозная паутина
Разносит нити ясных дней
И под окном у селянина
Далекий благовест слышней,

Мы не грустим, пугаясь снова
Дыханья близкого зимы,
А голос лета прожитого
Яснее понимаем мы.

Афанасий Фет, 1870

Reply 28 of 221, by Skyscraper

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I think you would benefit from doing some research and reading some build threads.
This will be very expensive if you just buy all the "best" stuff for an optimal Windows 98 build right away.
You could end up spending as much as you would on a modern system.

If you live in a country where local shipping is cheap I would recommend that you start of with building something cheaper and more easy to find.
If I look at my local "Ebay" I can get a socket 478 P4 Northwood, some memory and a no-frills motherboard for next to nothing most days of the week (auctions ending without bids).
A Geforce 4 MX can also be had almost for free. It is the same with the Soundblaster Live.
Often all these things are sold in bundels with a low start bid and quite often these auctions end without any bids at all.

Perhaps such a system will be enough and if it is you have saved lots of cash.
If not... the stuff were at least dirt cheap.

New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 29 of 221, by Tetrium

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This topic really went quickly!

I'd still suggest to find a Socket 370 board, but it doesn't necessarily have to be a Tualatin board imo.
Iirc there was someone selling already pinmodded Tualatins on Ebay that will work in most Coppermine boards. I'd suggest you get one of those.
If you're looking for a Socket 370 board, then I'd suggest you have a look here
This lists virtually all Socket 370 board along with their chipset.

If you don't want a Tualatin, then imo a fast Coppermine is good enough for a retro rig also (a 1GHz Coppermine is still very fluent with 98SE and I'd guess will be a lot cheaper. Heck, even an 800MHz variant will be quick enough!).

I'd somewhat advice against a Socket A system though as you'll first need to find a PSU that has lots of power on the 5v line (virtually all modern PSU don't have enough juice on the 5v line to power an Athlon or Athlon XP). The only exception to this rule are some of the very latest Socket A boards that came with the 4 pins P4 power plug, but most of them don't have this plug and thus draw power from the 5v line.

With a Pentium 3, this isn't really an issue since Pentium 3 (despite also eating from the 5v line) consumes so much less power than an Athlon or Athlon XP.

For graphics cards, if you go the Pentium 3 route, then the best would be a Voodoo 5, though those aren't very cheap these days. A second good option would be a Geforce 2 or Geforce 3 or so along with Voodoo 2 in SLI (which also isn't very cheap these days, but you could always use a single Voodoo 2 board). Another option would be a Geforce 4 or more recent (and more powerful) graphics card and use a glide wrapper, though I don't really know how effective these wrappers really are.

If you go the Pentium 4 or Athlon64 route, then this would be somewhat easier, as long as you stay with AGP.

I don't know what else to add now, many good tips have already been given 😀

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Reply 30 of 221, by kithylin

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The Serpant Rider wrote:
This is my 2nd attempt of planning a rig. […]
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This is my 2nd attempt of planning a rig.

CPU: Athlon64 Socket 754 chips
Motherboard: Nforce3-150 Chipset
GPU: Geforce 6800 Ultra
Hard Drive: Western Digital HDD IDE 120GB
Floppy Drive: Not yet
Optical Drive: Not yet
Soundcard: Sound Blaster 16 (Not sure)
Case: IBM Thinkcentre
RAM: Kingstone 512 MB
Speakers: Not yet
Monitor: IBM Thinkvision C220P CRT monitor
Power Supply: Not yet
Mouse: Not yet
Keyboard: Not yet
Internet Card: Intel Pro-100 PCI , gig-E NIC
UPS: Not yet
Fan: Not yet
OSes: Windows 98 SE and Linux Mint

Please review and add more stuffs that I did not choose yet.

the only problem with the A64 nforce thing I suggested, is sometimes it can be hard / difficult to find an exact one that will work (via chipset 754 boards are more common but generally don't work well with win98), and sometimes expensive unless you get lucky. I just got very lucky and happened to find one for $30 and grabbed it. You'd probably be better off with something more common (more easily to find, and probably a bit cheaper) like a P3-1400 system, and maintain ISA. I only even mentioned the A64 thing as it's kind of "the best of the best possible", doesn't mean it's really a good choice vs money.

and the 6800 ultra card is nice, but it only works in systems with either a "universal" AGP slot, or a 8x system. The GA-6VX7-4X socket 370 system has a universal slot. And the 6800 is pretty much the last video card made by nvidia to ever have native win98se drivers and work well with them. You might be well off looking for something like a geforce4 ti 4600 or ti 4800, those have mixed-type agp connectors and would run in 2x agp boards.

Reply 31 of 221, by The Serpant Rider

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kithylin wrote:
The Serpant Rider wrote:
This is my 2nd attempt of planning a rig. […]
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This is my 2nd attempt of planning a rig.

CPU: Athlon64 Socket 754 chips
Motherboard: Nforce3-150 Chipset
GPU: Geforce 6800 Ultra
Hard Drive: Western Digital HDD IDE 120GB
Floppy Drive: Not yet
Optical Drive: Not yet
Soundcard: Sound Blaster 16 (Not sure)
Case: IBM Thinkcentre
RAM: Kingstone 512 MB
Speakers: Not yet
Monitor: IBM Thinkvision C220P CRT monitor
Power Supply: Not yet
Mouse: Not yet
Keyboard: Not yet
Internet Card: Intel Pro-100 PCI , gig-E NIC
UPS: Not yet
Fan: Not yet
OSes: Windows 98 SE and Linux Mint

Please review and add more stuffs that I did not choose yet.

the only problem with the A64 nforce thing I suggested, is sometimes it can be hard / difficult to find an exact one that will work (via chipset 754 boards are more common but generally don't work well with win98), and sometimes expensive unless you get lucky. I just got very lucky and happened to find one for $30 and grabbed it. You'd probably be better off with something more common (more easily to find, and probably a bit cheaper) like a P3-1400 system, and maintain ISA. I only even mentioned the A64 thing as it's kind of "the best of the best possible", doesn't mean it's really a good choice vs money.

and the 6800 ultra card is nice, but it only works in systems with either a "universal" AGP slot, or a 8x system. The GA-6VX7-4X socket 370 system has a universal slot. And the 6800 is pretty much the last video card made by nvidia to ever have native win98se drivers and work well with them. You might be well off looking for something like a geforce4 ti 4600 or ti 4800, those have mixed-type agp connectors and would run in 2x agp boards.

I see. Here's my Pentium 3 rig plan.

CPU: Pentium 3-s Tualatin 1.4GHz pin mod
GPU: The best Voodoo's or Geforce's model
HDD: Western Digital HDD IDE 120GB
FDD: 5.25 or 3.5 Floppy Drive of Sony's, IBM's, Cannon's (Help me to choose)
ODD: Brand that Supports CD, DVD, RW, Blu-Ray (I cannot find it. Can you find it for me?)
Soundcard: SB16 or Gravis Ultrasound or Roland MT-32
FanS: Coolermaster CPU Cooler with copper heatsink and Noctua NF-R8 Case fan
PSU: Aerocool Strike-X 500Watt PSU
IC Card: Intel Pro-100 PCI , gig-E NIC
Mainboard: ASUS's Mainboard Socket 370 that supports Pentium 3-s Tualatin 1.4GHz pin mod and ISA and PCI slots (Help me to choose a model)
Case: IBM Thinkcentre (How can I get it?)
Montitor: IBM Thinkvision C220P CRT monitor (I don't have any idea to find it 😢)
Mouse: IBM's
Keyboard: IBM's
OSes: Windows 98 SE and Linux Mint

Btw, is possible to multi boot with my rig?

P.S. This PC might be built for Direct-X and Glide games from mid 90's to 2000's like Blood, etc.
It's difficult to choose in some products like FDD.

ОСЕНЬЮ

Когда сквозная паутина
Разносит нити ясных дней
И под окном у селянина
Далекий благовест слышней,

Мы не грустим, пугаясь снова
Дыханья близкого зимы,
А голос лета прожитого
Яснее понимаем мы.

Афанасий Фет, 1870

Reply 32 of 221, by kithylin

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I guess it all depends on your budget and how serious you want to be in building your vintage computer. I spent nearly $600 on my 486 .. in 2012 -> 2013, I spent $200 in my Athlon-754 Win98se machine that ended up going Win2k. I spent $300 in my AthlonXP GLIDE/3DFX machine. Etc. To me, I enjoy the machines I have and I'm happy to have them, but to some people I'd be considered crazy.

Reply 33 of 221, by The Serpant Rider

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Hmm, it might be quite challenge that it depends on budget... Are 5.1 or 7.1 speakers good choice for Win 98 SE?
There are the links for selling P3 Tualatin and AMD 64 on Ebay( Links: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=Athlon-7 … 64+754&_sacat=0, http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=Pentium+ … alatin&_sacat=0).

ОСЕНЬЮ

Когда сквозная паутина
Разносит нити ясных дней
И под окном у селянина
Далекий благовест слышней,

Мы не грустим, пугаясь снова
Дыханья близкого зимы,
А голос лета прожитого
Яснее понимаем мы.

Афанасий Фет, 1870

Reply 34 of 221, by leileilol

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You WILL need a soundcard for the nForce 3. Do not trust the onboard audio of the nForce 3.

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Reply 35 of 221, by The Serpant Rider

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I usually distrust onboard audios since they are a kind of weirdo and not same as any other soundcard. What is the best soundcard for nforce 3 among Gravis, Roland MT-32, SB16? Is ASUS board has Athlon64 Socket 754 chips support? I just want to allow my pc to play direct-x and glide and dos games.

ОСЕНЬЮ

Когда сквозная паутина
Разносит нити ясных дней
И под окном у селянина
Далекий благовест слышней,

Мы не грустим, пугаясь снова
Дыханья близкого зимы,
А голос лета прожитого
Яснее понимаем мы.

Афанасий Фет, 1870

Reply 36 of 221, by leileilol

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I wouldn't be using an Athlon64 for any Win98/DOS gaming. There are certain vital DMA-related features missing from those later motherboards.... iirc

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Reply 37 of 221, by The Serpant Rider

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Thus, the Pentium 3-S Tualatin 1.4 GHz and board that supports it are the best result for play dos, direct-x, glide gameing. Can you give a board model name from ASUS, GIGABYTE for P3 -S tualatin?

P.S. What is a good soundcard for me among (Gravis Ultrasound, Roland MT-32, Sound Blaster, AWE) to play dos, direct-x and glide games?

Last edited by The Serpant Rider on 2014-02-23, 07:36. Edited 1 time in total.

ОСЕНЬЮ

Когда сквозная паутина
Разносит нити ясных дней
И под окном у селянина
Далекий благовест слышней,

Мы не грустим, пугаясь снова
Дыханья близкого зимы,
А голос лета прожитого
Яснее понимаем мы.

Афанасий Фет, 1870

Reply 38 of 221, by Mau1wurf1977

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AWE is a solid choice. The other ones are too specialised and only supported by a range of games. With the AWE every game is supported and the card is very compatible. Everything just works 😀

GUS is great for demos and tracker based games. Roland for older DOS games from Sierra, Lucasarts, Origin...

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Reply 39 of 221, by The Serpant Rider

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Thanks a lot Mau1wurf1977. What is the best AWE soundcard for my rig?

P.S.: I installed Gravis Ultrasound on my Dosbox as emulation (MAX version) with Ykhwong's version. I have my own file on my laptop.
I need to know which ODD (Supports CD, DVD, RW, (Optional: Blu-Ray) and P3-S Tualatin Motherboard (Select between ASUS and GIGABYTE) are suitable for me. Which gpu is good for me between Geforce and Voodoo? Are the 5.1 and 7.1 speakers effective for my pc?

ОСЕНЬЮ

Когда сквозная паутина
Разносит нити ясных дней
И под окном у селянина
Далекий благовест слышней,

Мы не грустим, пугаясь снова
Дыханья близкого зимы,
А голос лета прожитого
Яснее понимаем мы.

Афанасий Фет, 1870