Radical Vision wrote on 2022-06-14, 07:18:

SteveC wrote on 2022-06-13, 21:06:

The 512KB SOJ ICs (5 of them were cheaper than 2 locally!) turned up much earlier than expected from China (just 2 weeks) so I h […]
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The 512KB SOJ ICs (5 of them were cheaper than 2 locally!) turned up much earlier than expected from China (just 2 weeks) so I have upgraded the onboard S3 Trio64 graphics to 2MB - I can now use 16 or 32 bit colour at resolutions over 640x480! And Final Reality now runs on the Matrox m3d 😀

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Nice memory upgrade... I want to find some cheap chips myself to upgrade nVIDIA NV1 cards i have and for some others, but is rare here... Is this system IBM PC 365 or is other model, as the case is the same.. If is with Pentium Pro what is the set up, also if you are runing it in dual PentiumPro will be nice if you can show off the VRM module, as i dont know how does look in order to find one...

It's an IBM PC330 (Pentium 133 originally, now a 200MMX).

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2022-06-14, 07:45:

SteveC wrote on 2022-06-13, 21:06:

The 512KB SOJ ICs (5 of them were cheaper than 2 locally!) turned up much earlier than expected from China (just 2 weeks) so I h […]
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The 512KB SOJ ICs (5 of them were cheaper than 2 locally!) turned up much earlier than expected from China (just 2 weeks) so I have upgraded the onboard S3 Trio64 graphics to 2MB - I can now use 16 or 32 bit colour at resolutions over 640x480! And Final Reality now runs on the Matrox m3d 😀

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I would like to upgrade the ram on my IBM desktops too.
Can you post a close up photo of that ram chip ?

Can you not see the first photo in that post of mine? That's a close up of the chips. This is the seller I used https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363218608404?var=632396512692

Grabbed 5 for myself, cheers for that link, got a few GPUs that can use these chips.

Did clean, test and sort the new stuff i found.. As usual i pick selected good stuff, and the rest that i dont need will go on ADs for sale/ trade the usual stuff...

From the last finds i will add to the collection ASUS P3B-F, Creative Blaster Permedia II and the shitty AXLE S3 Savage 4 ( i usually dont safe crap such as AXLE, Super and others, but the card is like brand new so could resist..) . From these 478 board the ASUS one is ded and the JETway too. Now JETway is crap so who cares, but ASUS they die alot too is garbage brand to me, so if some of my rare in the collection ASUS board dies, i will totally replace every shitty ASUS with AOpen and GIGAbyte and some with ABIT, as i am disgusted how many dead and dead and dead ASUS board are out there... Someone may say bad luck, or that ASUS did OUTsold MSI and Gigabyte by alot, even if that is the case i dont care, on every 3 Gigabyte boards i find i will find 3 ASUS ones, and 2 of them will be dead... Really garbage brand as far as i can say...

That P3B-F will just be traded for alot better board the GIGAbyte BX2000+, DUAL BIOS, Blue PCB and CPU overvoltage protecion, that board is just so much better even in terms of features, not to mention the color is sick compared to the shitty yellow color of ASUS (how fitting of a shit brand to be colored shitty) . Even AOpen did have black colored slot a boards, or socket 370 black PCB ones, but ASUS naaaa they did continue to use that nasty yellow. Not to mention my ASUS SP97-V was working fine, one day decided to fuck up its BIOS file or prob the BIOS chip itself, now i need to fix that piece of shit as well DAMN i hate that brand for real... The most dead boards i saw since i collect is ASUS and ASUS... No matter i saw ofc other dead brands, most are from ASUS... GIGAbyte is alot more reliable to me, AOpen as well my dual socket AOpen did saw hell, from previous owner, blown up second memory slot, he was smoking all the time so there was nice layer of cigarette nicotine crap over the whole board, there was also visible traces, as he did as well manage to scratch very well the board.. Also that exact board AOpen DX34R-U did have problems on booting corrupted BIOS or something, i managed to fix it all, now the board runs happly and fine.. That is what i call a premium and reliable brand, ASUS meanwhile even dies while in perfect condition on the board, no blown caps, nothing to show why it did die, and just stops powering, no fans, no leds nothing... And that happens on multiple ASUS boards garbage brand + that is what ASUS is.... Not to mention UNDER zero innovation.. While ASSrock did manage to create their Upgrade boards, or AOpen to include DUAL Bios on some of their board, or their insane Tube series boards, or the Che-Che and Sweet Kiss, or ABIT Casper, or GIGAbyte and their CPU overcurrent protection and mostly known for their DUAL BIOS, all ASUS does is only to add Rubycon capacitors on most of their boards, OK that is very good, but what is the point of having the best caps that normally never pop up, if the motherboard they did engineer is trash and will die at some point for no reason...

Uploaded text files from the internal memory of an 80's Brother TC600 word processor/terminal to a PC. Didn't have a suitable 25-9 pin serial adapter and didn't feel like soldering, so instead I modified a cat5 cable and used 6 other adapters and cables to make this monstrosity (blue is the modified cat5):

Works great! At least at the TC600's max speed of 1200 baud 😉

I’m continuing to slide in to 90s dad mode.

My laserdisc collection has officially grown past 25 thanks to these three, and I really can’t complain about it. Someday I’ll even find a player that has optical out to properly play the DTS track.

BetaC wrote on 2022-06-16, 03:06:

I’m continuing to slide in to 90s dad mode.
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My laserdisc collection has officially grown past 25 thanks to these three, and I really can’t complain about it. Someday I’ll even find a player that has optical out to properly play the DTS track.

Laser Disc, now that is a very cool thing to collect, would love to do that myself but ..well *points to pile of retro shit I really do have more than enough to keep me busy 😁

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-06-16, 05:23:

BetaC wrote on 2022-06-16, 03:06:

I’m continuing to slide in to 90s dad mode.
CBE2C664-8AD9-4367-AA46-566014BB6C73.jpeg
My laserdisc collection has officially grown past 25 thanks to these three, and I really can’t complain about it. Someday I’ll even find a player that has optical out to properly play the DTS track.

Laser Disc, now that is a very cool thing to collect, would love to do that myself but ..well *points to pile of retro shit I really do have more than enough to keep me busy 😁

If your local market used to have people rich enough to buy players, then it's actually a cheap hobby. The most I have spent on any Laserdiscs is a combined $60 for my Star Wars (The actually best release, with the faces like on VHS), otherwise that Dune was the second highest at $15 thanks to my current place having a lot of old rich people.

Meanwhile, while I was in New Mexico, I found two laserdiscs ever.

pbagain wrote on 2022-06-15, 20:59:

Uploaded text files from the internal memory of an 80's Brother TC600 word processor/terminal to a PC. Didn't have a suitable 25-9 pin serial adapter and didn't feel like soldering, so instead I modified a cat5 cable and used 6 other adapters and cables to make this monstrosity (blue is the modified cat5):

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Works great! At least at the TC600's max speed of 1200 baud 😉

I really want to respond to this but I have no words, I just can't stop laughing.. 🤣

pbagain wrote on 2022-06-15, 20:59:

Uploaded text files from the internal memory of an 80's Brother TC600 word processor/terminal to a PC. Didn't have a suitable 25-9 pin serial adapter and didn't feel like soldering, so instead I modified a cat5 cable and used 6 other adapters and cables to make this monstrosity (blue is the modified cat5):

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Works great! At least at the TC600's max speed of 1200 baud 😉

This is awesome! Probably good thing you're limited to 1200 baud, you're not gonna get 10gbps down that thing 😁

Radical Vision wrote on 2022-06-14, 17:29:

Did clean, test and sort the new stuff i found.. As usual i pick selected good stuff, and the rest that i dont need will go on A […]
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Did clean, test and sort the new stuff i found.. As usual i pick selected good stuff, and the rest that i dont need will go on ADs for sale/ trade the usual stuff...

From the last finds i will add to the collection ASUS P3B-F, Creative Blaster Permedia II and the shitty AXLE S3 Savage 4 ( i usually dont safe crap such as AXLE, Super and others, but the card is like brand new so could resist..) . From these 478 board the ASUS one is ded and the JETway too. Now JETway is crap so who cares, but ASUS they die alot too is garbage brand to me, so if some of my rare in the collection ASUS board dies, i will totally replace every shitty ASUS with AOpen and GIGAbyte and some with ABIT, as i am disgusted how many dead and dead and dead ASUS board are out there... Someone may say bad luck, or that ASUS did OUTsold MSI and Gigabyte by alot, even if that is the case i dont care, on every 3 Gigabyte boards i find i will find 3 ASUS ones, and 2 of them will be dead... Really garbage brand as far as i can say...

20220614_115458(1).jpg

That P3B-F will just be traded for alot better board the GIGAbyte BX2000+, DUAL BIOS, Blue PCB and CPU overvoltage protecion, that board is just so much better even in terms of features, not to mention the color is sick compared to the shitty yellow color of ASUS (how fitting of a shit brand to be colored shitty) . Even AOpen did have black colored slot a boards, or socket 370 black PCB ones, but ASUS naaaa they did continue to use that nasty yellow. Not to mention my ASUS SP97-V was working fine, one day decided to fuck up its BIOS file or prob the BIOS chip itself, now i need to fix that piece of shit as well DAMN i hate that brand for real... The most dead boards i saw since i collect is ASUS and ASUS... No matter i saw ofc other dead brands, most are from ASUS... GIGAbyte is alot more reliable to me, AOpen as well my dual socket AOpen did saw hell, from previous owner, blown up second memory slot, he was smoking all the time so there was nice layer of cigarette nicotine crap over the whole board, there was also visible traces, as he did as well manage to scratch very well the board.. Also that exact board AOpen DX34R-U did have problems on booting corrupted BIOS or something, i managed to fix it all, now the board runs happly and fine.. That is what i call a premium and reliable brand, ASUS meanwhile even dies while in perfect condition on the board, no blown caps, nothing to show why it did die, and just stops powering, no fans, no leds nothing... And that happens on multiple ASUS boards garbage brand + that is what ASUS is.... Not to mention UNDER zero innovation.. While ASSrock did manage to create their Upgrade boards, or AOpen to include DUAL Bios on some of their board, or their insane Tube series boards, or the Che-Che and Sweet Kiss, or ABIT Casper, or GIGAbyte and their CPU overcurrent protection and mostly known for their DUAL BIOS, all ASUS does is only to add Rubycon capacitors on most of their boards, OK that is very good, but what is the point of having the best caps that normally never pop up, if the motherboard they did engineer is trash and will die at some point for no reason...

I'd avoid P4P800 and P4C800 like the plague. ASUS and especially Intel were to greedy and removed the ESD protection from their 82801ER southbridges.
I'd in fact avoid anything that uses that craptacularly engineered southbridge. Either 82801EB or skip altogether.

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-16, 14:05:

Radical Vision wrote on 2022-06-14, 17:29:

Did clean, test and sort the new stuff i found.. As usual i pick selected good stuff, and the rest that i dont need will go on A […]
Show full quote

Did clean, test and sort the new stuff i found.. As usual i pick selected good stuff, and the rest that i dont need will go on ADs for sale/ trade the usual stuff...

From the last finds i will add to the collection ASUS P3B-F, Creative Blaster Permedia II and the shitty AXLE S3 Savage 4 ( i usually dont safe crap such as AXLE, Super and others, but the card is like brand new so could resist..) . From these 478 board the ASUS one is ded and the JETway too. Now JETway is crap so who cares, but ASUS they die alot too is garbage brand to me, so if some of my rare in the collection ASUS board dies, i will totally replace every shitty ASUS with AOpen and GIGAbyte and some with ABIT, as i am disgusted how many dead and dead and dead ASUS board are out there... Someone may say bad luck, or that ASUS did OUTsold MSI and Gigabyte by alot, even if that is the case i dont care, on every 3 Gigabyte boards i find i will find 3 ASUS ones, and 2 of them will be dead... Really garbage brand as far as i can say...

20220614_115458(1).jpg

That P3B-F will just be traded for alot better board the GIGAbyte BX2000+, DUAL BIOS, Blue PCB and CPU overvoltage protecion, that board is just so much better even in terms of features, not to mention the color is sick compared to the shitty yellow color of ASUS (how fitting of a shit brand to be colored shitty) . Even AOpen did have black colored slot a boards, or socket 370 black PCB ones, but ASUS naaaa they did continue to use that nasty yellow. Not to mention my ASUS SP97-V was working fine, one day decided to fuck up its BIOS file or prob the BIOS chip itself, now i need to fix that piece of shit as well DAMN i hate that brand for real... The most dead boards i saw since i collect is ASUS and ASUS... No matter i saw ofc other dead brands, most are from ASUS... GIGAbyte is alot more reliable to me, AOpen as well my dual socket AOpen did saw hell, from previous owner, blown up second memory slot, he was smoking all the time so there was nice layer of cigarette nicotine crap over the whole board, there was also visible traces, as he did as well manage to scratch very well the board.. Also that exact board AOpen DX34R-U did have problems on booting corrupted BIOS or something, i managed to fix it all, now the board runs happly and fine.. That is what i call a premium and reliable brand, ASUS meanwhile even dies while in perfect condition on the board, no blown caps, nothing to show why it did die, and just stops powering, no fans, no leds nothing... And that happens on multiple ASUS boards garbage brand + that is what ASUS is.... Not to mention UNDER zero innovation.. While ASSrock did manage to create their Upgrade boards, or AOpen to include DUAL Bios on some of their board, or their insane Tube series boards, or the Che-Che and Sweet Kiss, or ABIT Casper, or GIGAbyte and their CPU overcurrent protection and mostly known for their DUAL BIOS, all ASUS does is only to add Rubycon capacitors on most of their boards, OK that is very good, but what is the point of having the best caps that normally never pop up, if the motherboard they did engineer is trash and will die at some point for no reason...

I'd avoid P4P800 and P4C800 like the plague. ASUS and especially Intel were to greedy and removed the ESD protection from their 82801ER southbridges.
I'd in fact avoid anything that uses that craptacularly engineered southbridge. Either 82801EB or skip altogether.

Wasn't this issue related to the USB ports?
I wonder if disconnecting the USB ports (yes I know loosing USB is something of an issue in this case) and using addon USB PCI cards could prevent the southbridges from dying from this issue.

And what I remember from the P4P800 is that the northbridge could come loose. Asus thought that it was a good idea to fasten it with some sort of 'closed jumper style retention clip'. If one was lucky only that freaky jumper came of, and not the whole heatsink.

Kahenraz wrote on 2022-06-13, 21:08:

That's wonderful! I have quite a few Trio64s with empty ram slots.

Me a decade ago would have just stripped half of them and maxed the RAM on the other half. 🐒

I have quite a few of these. Very solid cards for DOS and basic 2D. I love them.

I'm not even sure what the memory would be used for. Higher resolution and color depth, I guess. That's always nice to have.

Tetrium wrote on 2022-06-16, 14:29:

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-16, 14:05:

Radical Vision wrote on 2022-06-14, 17:29:

Did clean, test and sort the new stuff i found.. As usual i pick selected good stuff, and the rest that i dont need will go on A […]
Show full quote

Did clean, test and sort the new stuff i found.. As usual i pick selected good stuff, and the rest that i dont need will go on ADs for sale/ trade the usual stuff...

From the last finds i will add to the collection ASUS P3B-F, Creative Blaster Permedia II and the shitty AXLE S3 Savage 4 ( i usually dont safe crap such as AXLE, Super and others, but the card is like brand new so could resist..) . From these 478 board the ASUS one is ded and the JETway too. Now JETway is crap so who cares, but ASUS they die alot too is garbage brand to me, so if some of my rare in the collection ASUS board dies, i will totally replace every shitty ASUS with AOpen and GIGAbyte and some with ABIT, as i am disgusted how many dead and dead and dead ASUS board are out there... Someone may say bad luck, or that ASUS did OUTsold MSI and Gigabyte by alot, even if that is the case i dont care, on every 3 Gigabyte boards i find i will find 3 ASUS ones, and 2 of them will be dead... Really garbage brand as far as i can say...

20220614_115458(1).jpg

That P3B-F will just be traded for alot better board the GIGAbyte BX2000+, DUAL BIOS, Blue PCB and CPU overvoltage protecion, that board is just so much better even in terms of features, not to mention the color is sick compared to the shitty yellow color of ASUS (how fitting of a shit brand to be colored shitty) . Even AOpen did have black colored slot a boards, or socket 370 black PCB ones, but ASUS naaaa they did continue to use that nasty yellow. Not to mention my ASUS SP97-V was working fine, one day decided to fuck up its BIOS file or prob the BIOS chip itself, now i need to fix that piece of shit as well DAMN i hate that brand for real... The most dead boards i saw since i collect is ASUS and ASUS... No matter i saw ofc other dead brands, most are from ASUS... GIGAbyte is alot more reliable to me, AOpen as well my dual socket AOpen did saw hell, from previous owner, blown up second memory slot, he was smoking all the time so there was nice layer of cigarette nicotine crap over the whole board, there was also visible traces, as he did as well manage to scratch very well the board.. Also that exact board AOpen DX34R-U did have problems on booting corrupted BIOS or something, i managed to fix it all, now the board runs happly and fine.. That is what i call a premium and reliable brand, ASUS meanwhile even dies while in perfect condition on the board, no blown caps, nothing to show why it did die, and just stops powering, no fans, no leds nothing... And that happens on multiple ASUS boards garbage brand + that is what ASUS is.... Not to mention UNDER zero innovation.. While ASSrock did manage to create their Upgrade boards, or AOpen to include DUAL Bios on some of their board, or their insane Tube series boards, or the Che-Che and Sweet Kiss, or ABIT Casper, or GIGAbyte and their CPU overcurrent protection and mostly known for their DUAL BIOS, all ASUS does is only to add Rubycon capacitors on most of their boards, OK that is very good, but what is the point of having the best caps that normally never pop up, if the motherboard they did engineer is trash and will die at some point for no reason...

I'd avoid P4P800 and P4C800 like the plague. ASUS and especially Intel were to greedy and removed the ESD protection from their 82801ER southbridges.
I'd in fact avoid anything that uses that craptacularly engineered southbridge. Either 82801EB or skip altogether.

Wasn't this issue related to the USB ports?
I wonder if disconnecting the USB ports (yes I know loosing USB is something of an issue in this case) and using addon USB PCI cards could prevent the southbridges from dying from this issue.

You wouldn't lose only the USB at how crap their ESD protection was. You'd straight up see it burn.

'Floating' ports can sink the ship - USB shield grounding

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-16, 18:57:

You wouldn't lose only the USB at how crap their ESD protection was. You'd straight up see it burn.

'Floating' ports can sink the ship - USB shield grounding

I had an issue with a refurbished Athlon 64 system I bought some years ago. It was very unstable and after I saw sparks around the USB port on an insertion it removal (I can't remember which), I returned it immediately.

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-16, 18:57:

Tetrium wrote on 2022-06-16, 14:29:

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-16, 14:05:

I'd avoid P4P800 and P4C800 like the plague. ASUS and especially Intel were to greedy and removed the ESD protection from their 82801ER southbridges.
I'd in fact avoid anything that uses that craptacularly engineered southbridge. Either 82801EB or skip altogether.

Wasn't this issue related to the USB ports?
I wonder if disconnecting the USB ports (yes I know loosing USB is something of an issue in this case) and using addon USB PCI cards could prevent the southbridges from dying from this issue.

You wouldn't lose only the USB at how crap their ESD protection was. You'd straight up see it burn.

'Floating' ports can sink the ship - USB shield grounding

So it's the front USB headers that are affected and not the back ones. So not connecting the front ones should help avoid this issue.

Tetrium wrote on 2022-06-16, 19:51:

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-16, 18:57:

Tetrium wrote on 2022-06-16, 14:29:

Wasn't this issue related to the USB ports?
I wonder if disconnecting the USB ports (yes I know loosing USB is something of an issue in this case) and using addon USB PCI cards could prevent the southbridges from dying from this issue.

You wouldn't lose only the USB at how crap their ESD protection was. You'd straight up see it burn.

'Floating' ports can sink the ship - USB shield grounding

So it's the front USB headers that are affected and not the back ones. So not connecting the front ones should help avoid this issue.

Considering the back ones are connected through the SB very likely, I wouldn't be so sure.

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-16, 20:05:

Tetrium wrote on 2022-06-16, 19:51:

PcBytes wrote on 2022-06-16, 18:57:

You wouldn't lose only the USB at how crap their ESD protection was. You'd straight up see it burn.

'Floating' ports can sink the ship - USB shield grounding

So it's the front USB headers that are affected and not the back ones. So not connecting the front ones should help avoid this issue.

Considering the back ones are connected through the SB very likely, I wouldn't be so sure.

They also are, but they have at least better ground protection compared to the front ones. Still a huge mishap from Asus and any other affected manufacturer. Cheers for that link btw, I had forgotten about it and provided me with the info google wouldn't show me 😋