TrashPanda wrote on 2023-05-13, 09:03:Im trying to figure out Dx33s reasoning here, seems they might be a bit confused and need a better language library perhaps, cer […]
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leileilol wrote on 2023-05-13, 04:41:
Intel486dx33 wrote on 2023-05-12, 17:24:All my ISA cards still work and they would be easy to fix if they some how stopped working.
It’s NOT a secret that PCI video car […]
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All my ISA cards still work and they would be easy to fix if they some how stopped working.
It’s NOT a secret that PCI video cards were plagued with poor design, bad SMB soldering and manufacturing process.
Cheap components like capacitors. That why so many PCI video cards stopped working or developed artifacting problems.
I would NOT spend allot of money on poorly designed video cards that work.
And definitely NOT buy non working PCI video cards.
good thing they're agp cards then
Im trying to figure out Dx33s reasoning here, seems they might be a bit confused and need a better language library perhaps, certainly someone should upgrade the chat bot with better technical information.
Of all the GPUs I have PCI cards tend to fair better than either PCIe or AGP cards for longevity and reliability, but AGP was during the capacitor and ROHS plague so its understandable that there is a section of cards from that era that are unreliable or dead. (Radeon 9700 and 9800 cards along with Geforce 7000, 8000 and 9000 cards seem to be the worst, I guess you can throw the GTX 400 cards in here too simply because FERMI killed a lot of cards from crazy heat output)
As for components ...most of the dead GPUs I see are from memory ICs going bad or SMD components getting knocked off, I dont normally see dead capacitors unless its a Plague era GPU and almost never see a dead GPU die unless its been killed by heat or shit ROHS solder.
I blocked that user a while ago. At some point he asked if anyone had a manual for some ASUS board he had, and when I googled, ASUS had the manual for that exact board on their own website, so why even ask here anyway? He didn't even bother to check the-very-first place to look...
Silver platter something something?
Also he never seemed to actually read and/or take in the advice he got, so at some point I just didn't want to be confronted with this anymore.
The early PCI and AGP cards fair relatively well with one of the reasons (as I could gather) that before that, we had VLB and ISA (and to a lesser extend EISA and MCA) and all these cards had longer PCBs and more complex 'chip systems' (for lack of better wording).
When PCI (and a bit later AGP) made its entry, chip systems got more and more simplified, more stuff got stuffed inside fewer chips, miniaturisation, more SOC-like instead of tons of very simple chips, and also the much smaller PCBs and lower total card weight meant that there was simply less that could get damaged (including less likely to bend and more force needed to bend/flex the PCB, causing solder joints to be less likely to break). The cards were really quite small and even kinda sturdy.
Once the graphics cards started getting more elaborate cooling solutions and started becoming physically larger again, I see it as some sort of growing pain, the failed cooler design of the early high-end Radeon 9000 series, too small or too heavy coolers for cards that became increasingly more hot, it was in a way an exciting era filled with tons of design and manufacturing mistakes (the ROHS solder kinda being one of them).
Fast forward to 2023. If one compares graphics cards from 2023 to 2013 ones visually, the design hasn't changed all that much. It's (superficially) the same large heatsinks (add in a heatpipe or 2) with 2 or 3 fans with a shroud covering the entirety of the PCB.
If I were to take a guess as to why cards break these days (apart from having been used for crypto farming) is because manufacturers cheapened out on the parts used, maybe some form of planned obsolescence (like for instance a cooling solution or poor memory cooling that is really made to last to juuuust after the warranty period expires).
I have seen my fair share of older (PCI and AGP era) PCBs damaged by mistreatment.