Shreddoc wrote on 2022-05-02, 01:14:
Yeah that stick you got is rubbish. I mean, subjectively. I'm sure it could be put to some use. But it's a far cry from what peo […]
Cuttoon wrote on 2022-05-02, 00:39:
OK, I don't know my Thrustmasters that well, just made a random search, did not check the specs. You may be right that those are […]
Shreddoc wrote on 2022-05-02, 00:28:
And the native DOS, gameport $1 Thrustmasters?
What you've posted there above is, yes, just cheap digital Win9x-and-above (or console, in some instances) "crap".
OK, I don't know my Thrustmasters that well, just made a random search, did not check the specs. You may be right that those are not old enough to be of any value "again".
Then again, the Thrustmaster stick I got last week was certainly "native DOS" - but sadly, still looks and feels like pretty cheap crap.
Re: Bought these (retro) hardware today
But, on the other hand - I bought that after it had run out three times, so even the one Euro is a shaky assessment...
Are you in the US? Everything is more expensive there and mainly, for many things, the market seems to have been swept completely while in Europe there's still a bit of a oversupply.
Voodoo cards or SB64 are the same "+3000 %" mess over here.
Yeah that stick you got is rubbish. I mean, subjectively. I'm sure it could be put to some use. But it's a far cry from what people mean when they talk about the iconic Thrustmaster days of yore.
I totally agree with you that most old joysticks are $1 rubbish. Because most old everything is $1 rubbish. Fact remains that, as with everything, there's a slim core of vaguely agreed-upon "outstanding products" out there, which retain some value through specific purpose and merit.
Even deeper, there are sub-niches where people have to search far and wide before they're able to find an ideal controller. Quite far from the utopia of $1-crap freely raining down for all, it's more of a long term mission, where sometimes even (gasp) !dozens! of $ are spent 😉
Yep, while I stand by the fact that Tie-Fighter is one of the greatest games of all time, I'm officially too clumsy for "real" flight simulators and anyway, somehow I've always refused to max out on any gaming paraphernalia - e.g., despite quite the habit during CS heydays, I never bought a dedicated gaming mouse.
So, I'm still looking forward to the time when I happen upon a joystick that feels serious to me. The logitech are really well designed and manufactured, but their inner value is nothing special. Didn't test the Wingman Extreme yet, but its haptic did not quite convince me anywhere near the "premium top of the line" price difference back then.
Both are far beyond the Thrustmaster one, for sure.
But I know what you mean - some products of any kind simply have the distinction of "If I'm going to bother with antique PC flight sticks, I may well use the very best."
Or, just learned on ebay, while vanilla or even "pro" TNT2 cards get thrown out a dime a dozen, a humble TNT2 ultra will cost you 40 €. For the distinction of being what, 10 % faster?
Sad example: Ancient 1st generation DECT Gigaset 2xxx handsets for land line kept much of their average resale value (~30 € refurbished) for well over to decades now, despite land line hardly being even a thing.
They break down eventually, as any handset will, but kept being repaired.
Because, anything that came after them, be it premium from Siemens or some Chinese knockoffs, was universally hideous, overcomplicated shite with abysmal ergonomics. Some of the later Siemens stuff was really like "your original design team would have committed group seppoku rather than allowing that crap leave a factory". Sometimes, capitalism just fails us.