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Reply 45580 of 46504, by Repo Man11

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myrsnipe wrote on 2022-07-13, 19:20:

I live in Norway so I had to ship it all the way across the Atlantic, so I was on the fence, but the dealer offered a considerate discount so I decided to bite the 150$ shipping cost (!!!). If it weren't for the fact I'm starting in a new position in two weeks and had to cancel my vacation I wouldn't have splurged on it.

It was astonishing to me that the seller would pass up a sale because they can't do a local pickup? I recently sold a vintage computer on Ebay, and had been sweating how I would have to pack it to ensure that it would arrive intact, but then the person that bought it was local! I was so relieved that I offered to drive across town and deliver it to them.

It's a nice case, and AT cases have become so rare these days that you have to take what you can find.

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Reply 45582 of 46504, by brostenen

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Sombrero wrote on 2022-07-13, 13:32:
brostenen wrote on 2022-07-13, 13:15:
Sombrero wrote on 2022-07-13, 09:37:

the seventh console generation era was awful as far as I'm concerned

Huh??!!
Xbox360, Playstation3 and Wii are awesomme consoles. Just as good as 6'th generation. Personally I only have 7'th generation these days, as I find it a royal PITA, to find a way to hook those consoles up to my living room television. And I dont want to use lots of money to convert them into HDMI capeable coonsoles.

Well, I mean the consoles were loud, ran very hot (which caused many of them to fail) and the games ran like ass all too often. The coveted 15-30 fps cinematic experience. Not counting Wii I guess, only passingly tried that once or twice so can't really speak of it. But that's just how I saw it, each to their own. Only specifically console game(s) from 7th gen I personally kinda miss are Guitar Heros.

But I was talking about the games in general around that time, I guess we all have our "golden era" of gaming and mine started to end around 2005.

First versions of Xbos360 and Playstation3 were loud and broke easy. Wii never were. The versions that I have (Xbox360-S from 2010 and Playstation3 from 2009) are both running silent and stable. The games are also good enough. It all depends on what you wish to play. And yes, at launch there were not that many great games. But that have changed through the span of the consoles life cycle. The same was true at the launch of Playstation2 and first Xbox. Actually almost all consoles have this issue at launch, in regards to games library.

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Reply 45583 of 46504, by bestemor

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JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-13, 17:11:
A Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra with full bundle. I feel so safe now that I have Norton Antivirus 2002. 20220713_190456.jpg 20220713_190 […]
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A Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra with full bundle.
I feel so safe now that I have Norton Antivirus 2002.
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What are all those large blue caps ?
Has this been polymodded or something ? 😄

Tried comparing with a old online pictures, where these look very different... (?)
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https://images.hothardware.com/static/migrate … chipsetsink.jpg

Reply 45584 of 46504, by macroexp

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Heath/Zenith 150 (xt upgraded to nec v20)
Abit Tx5-based PC with some drives and decent supporting parts (and a great AT mini tower)
About 1000 floppies- a mix of 3.5, 5.25 hd, and 5.25 dd- stored well so hopefully there are a lot of good media for use.

I say bought because I paid in labor to remove and clean up after removal, but no dollars exchanged hands.

Reply 45585 of 46504, by ODwilly

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JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-13, 17:11:
A Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra with full bundle. I feel so safe now that I have Norton Antivirus 2002. 20220713_190456.jpg 20220713_190 […]
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A Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra with full bundle.
I feel so safe now that I have Norton Antivirus 2002.
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Congrats on getting my favorite 478 mobo of all time! The 3.06/533/512 Northwood CPU works but without HT btw.

Main pc: Asus ROG 17. R9 5900HX, RTX 3070m, 16gb ddr4 3200, 1tb NVME.
Retro PC: Soyo P4S Dragon, 3gb ddr 266, 120gb Maxtor, Geforce Fx 5950 Ultra, SB Live! 5.1

Reply 45586 of 46504, by pc-sound-legacy

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Got this no name Yamaha card today, will be a nice fit in a 98 machine

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Reply 45587 of 46504, by pc-sound-legacy

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myrsnipe wrote on 2022-07-13, 19:08:

New in box AT case i got off eBay, going to put the gigabyte MB into it

Great find! It's ugly but I somehow like it anyway😄 Definitely unique.

Reply 45588 of 46504, by JustJulião

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bestemor wrote on 2022-07-13, 21:17:
What are all those large blue caps ? Has this been polymodded or something ? 😄 […]
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JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-13, 17:11:
A Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra with full bundle. I feel so safe now that I have Norton Antivirus 2002. 20220713_190456.jpg 20220713_190 […]
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A Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra with full bundle.
I feel so safe now that I have Norton Antivirus 2002.
20220713_190456.jpg
20220713_190142 (1).jpg
20220713_190337 (1).jpg
20220713_190424.jpg
20220713_190320 (1).jpg

What are all those large blue caps ?
Has this been polymodded or something ? 😄

Tried comparing with a old online pictures, where these look very different... (?)
https://images.hothardware.com/static/migrate … 4sdragboard.jpg
https://images.hothardware.com/static/migrate … chipsetsink.jpg

Maybe a mod, maybe it's related to the revision. Thanks for pointing that out.

Reply 45589 of 46504, by JustJulião

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ODwilly wrote on 2022-07-14, 03:58:
JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-13, 17:11:
A Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra with full bundle. I feel so safe now that I have Norton Antivirus 2002. 20220713_190456.jpg 20220713_190 […]
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A Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra with full bundle.
I feel so safe now that I have Norton Antivirus 2002.
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20220713_190142 (1).jpg
20220713_190337 (1).jpg
20220713_190424.jpg
20220713_190320 (1).jpg

Congrats on getting my favorite 478 mobo of all time! The 3.06/533/512 Northwood CPU works but without HT btw.

Thanks, I don't plan to push it to the P4's limit, I'll probably try to overclock a northwood Celeron that I have over 3GHz. Do you think the capacitors are a mod or can it be because of a later revision than the ones we see on the Net ?

Reply 45590 of 46504, by Repo Man11

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JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-14, 18:06:
ODwilly wrote on 2022-07-14, 03:58:
JustJulião wrote on 2022-07-13, 17:11:
A Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra with full bundle. I feel so safe now that I have Norton Antivirus 2002. 20220713_190456.jpg 20220713_190 […]
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A Soyo P4S Dragon Ultra with full bundle.
I feel so safe now that I have Norton Antivirus 2002.
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20220713_190142 (1).jpg
20220713_190337 (1).jpg
20220713_190424.jpg
20220713_190320 (1).jpg

Congrats on getting my favorite 478 mobo of all time! The 3.06/533/512 Northwood CPU works but without HT btw.

Thanks, I don't plan to push it to the P4's limit, I'll probably try to overclock a northwood Celeron that I have over 3GHz. Do you think the capacitors are a mod or can it be because of a later revision than the ones we see on the Net ?

I've never seen a motherboard from that era with those type of capacitors. What is typical of motherboards of that era is to have failing capacitors that need to be replaced. I've an Amptron SiS 645 motherboard where I had to replace all but the smallest capacitors.

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Reply 45591 of 46504, by bestemor

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2022-07-14, 20:54:

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I've never seen a motherboard from that era with those type of capacitors. What is typical of motherboards of that era is to have failing capacitors that need to be replaced. I've an Amptron SiS 645 motherboard where I had to replace all but the smallest capacitors.

That is why I wondered as well... 😄

Reply 45592 of 46504, by macroexp

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macroexp wrote on 2022-07-14, 03:32:
Heath/Zenith 150 (xt upgraded to nec v20) Abit Tx5-based PC with some drives and decent supporting parts (and a great AT mini to […]
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Heath/Zenith 150 (xt upgraded to nec v20)
Abit Tx5-based PC with some drives and decent supporting parts (and a great AT mini tower)
About 1000 floppies- a mix of 3.5, 5.25 hd, and 5.25 dd- stored well so hopefully there are a lot of good media for use.

I say bought because I paid in labor to remove and clean up after removal, but no dollars exchanged hands.

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Reply 45593 of 46504, by ODwilly

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The Wendell caps on the P4S are absolute garbage tier, as well as all the other brands they used in 2001. Mine has 4 year old Rubycons, the secondaries that werent blown were out of spec. Weird reset/sleep issues, hard and soft Windows locks. Before the initial primary recap it would crash as sooon as the CPU hit 100% load.

The mouse ps/2 port has a massive stutter since it shares an IRQ with the Cmedia audio, disabling audio or changing IRQs fixes this. If it doesn't crash it's been recapped. If you run 3 sticks of ram you can run ddr 333mhz, but 3 sticks is limited to 266 speeds. Haven't played around with ddr400 yet. I didn't much like the onboard LAN, I remember my CPU usage being higher compared to a Netgear Gigaboot card. The Highpoint IDE controller is fast by ATA133 standards, but the VIA ones are slow. RAID0 7200rpm drives = vroom

Main pc: Asus ROG 17. R9 5900HX, RTX 3070m, 16gb ddr4 3200, 1tb NVME.
Retro PC: Soyo P4S Dragon, 3gb ddr 266, 120gb Maxtor, Geforce Fx 5950 Ultra, SB Live! 5.1

Reply 45594 of 46504, by TrashPanda

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The ASUS P2B-D Rev 1.06 D03 Arrived today and once I give it a quick test run Ill be doing the mod detailed here Asus P2B-DS Rev 1.06 FSB Modification to it. Got a nice pair of PIII 667 CPUs for it along with a Voodoo5 5500, should be a fun Win2k/XP system.

Would have loved the SCSI version but the non SCSI board is pretty rare and the SCSI version even more so, anyone have a good recommended PCI SCSI card to pair with this board?. (I guess Sata Raid is also and option with a pair of Velociraptors or SSD)

Will do a bigger write up of the build when I get it modded and setup.

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Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 45595 of 46504, by chrismeyer6

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-07-15, 12:14:

The ASUS P2B-D Rev 1.06 D03 Arrived today and once I give it a quick test run Ill be doing the mod detailed here Asus P2B-DS Rev 1.06 FSB Modification to it. Got a nice pair of PIII 667 CPUs for it along with a Voodoo5 5500, should be a fun Win2k/XP system.

Will do a bigger write up of the build when I get it modded and setup.

That sounds like a great build in the making. I'm very much looking forward to seeing your build thread!

Reply 45596 of 46504, by JustJulião

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ODwilly wrote on 2022-07-15, 05:01:

The Wendell caps on the P4S are absolute garbage tier, as well as all the other brands they used in 2001. Mine has 4 year old Rubycons, the secondaries that werent blown were out of spec. Weird reset/sleep issues, hard and soft Windows locks. Before the initial primary recap it would crash as sooon as the CPU hit 100% load.

The mouse ps/2 port has a massive stutter since it shares an IRQ with the Cmedia audio, disabling audio or changing IRQs fixes this. If it doesn't crash it's been recapped. If you run 3 sticks of ram you can run ddr 333mhz, but 3 sticks is limited to 266 speeds. Haven't played around with ddr400 yet. I didn't much like the onboard LAN, I remember my CPU usage being higher compared to a Netgear Gigaboot card. The Highpoint IDE controller is fast by ATA133 standards, but the VIA ones are slow. RAID0 7200rpm drives = vroom

Thank you for all this information. I planned a Raid 0 of 7200rpm drives actually (both Excelstor Jupiter).

Do you think making an ISO out of the provided CD would be of any use ?

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Reply 45597 of 46504, by TrashPanda

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-07-15, 12:14:

The ASUS P2B-D Rev 1.06 D03 Arrived today and once I give it a quick test run Ill be doing the mod detailed here Asus P2B-DS Rev 1.06 FSB Modification to it. Got a nice pair of PIII 667 CPUs for it along with a Voodoo5 5500, should be a fun Win2k/XP system.

Would have loved the SCSI version but the non SCSI board is pretty rare and the SCSI version even more so, anyone have a good recommended PCI SCSI card to pair with this board?. (I guess Sata Raid is also and option with a pair of Velociraptors or SSD)

Will do a bigger write up of the build when I get it modded and setup.

Just had a thought which out of a Voodoo5 5500 or a GeForce 256 DDR 64Mb would you go with ? I feel a Voodoo5 5500 would fit nicely but the 256 would provide a wider range of games that could be run and might possibly be more compatible. There is also the GeForce2 GTS/Ultra as an outside option but might have issues with the AGP port on this board, the seller did note that this board is known to have issues with later AGP 4x cards.

I have the cards so I could switch between them but I love reading what other Vogons would choose and why, its also fun to read other cards they might go with.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 45598 of 46504, by JustJulião

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Here is the case that will host the Soyo P4S. It needs some cleaning though.
I found a grey Sony/Nec Optiarc DVD reader to fit the case color but I don't have it yet.

I need other ideas to fill the 5.25 bays (with grey/aluminium stuff so it fits the case).

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The graphics card will be a Voodoo 5 5500 Vantec version. That's why I don't need a very powerful 478 CPU.
Not 100% sure about AGP compatibility so I will navigate the bios with a PCI card and try a cheap AGP card on the AGP slot first.

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Finally the two ExccelStor

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Reply 45599 of 46504, by LewisRaz

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Picked up this 486 motherboard from ebay.
Its not on ultimateretro.net.

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Most of the basic jumper settings are silk screened on but I still cant get any cpu to boot with it and cant find the settings for the remaining jumpers.

Anyone able to find anything? Its an ALD PCI 5433

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