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Reply 46000 of 46475, by TrashPanda

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Picked up these two Socket 7 CPUs, a low voltage P90 and a 225 Win Chip.

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Going to throw them in the HX rig and see how they perform relative to my other CPUs in that speed range.

The P90 might be good for a pure DOS rig.

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Reply 46001 of 46475, by Shagittarius

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-08-18, 01:15:
Picked up these two Socket 7 CPUs, a low voltage P90 and a 225 Win Chip. […]
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Picked up these two Socket 7 CPUs, a low voltage P90 and a 225 Win Chip.

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Going to throw them in the HX rig and see how they perform relative to my other CPUs in that speed range.

The P90 might be good for a pure DOS rig.

A P90 is a great choice for a pure DOS rig. It won't be doing high res Duke but it will handle all the modern DOS games at time period resolution. Also it can be slowed down pretty well by disabling the cache. I beefed mine up to 133 but that's because I'm also running a Banshee for excellent 2d performance and fun 3d dos/win for early titles. It runs GL quake great.

Reply 46002 of 46475, by Kahenraz

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H3nrik V! wrote on 2022-08-16, 16:47:

SB0460 Fatal1ty with break out box. Haven't got ANY clue if it's of any interest, but "oh, something to fill a 5.25 bay" 🤣

I've thought about buying one of these for years, but I can't ever think of anything to plug into one.

Reply 46003 of 46475, by RandomStranger

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-08-18, 06:35:
H3nrik V! wrote on 2022-08-16, 16:47:

SB0460 Fatal1ty with break out box. Haven't got ANY clue if it's of any interest, but "oh, something to fill a 5.25 bay" 🤣

I've thought about buying one of these for years, but I can't ever think of anything to plug into one.

I think it's mostly about aesthetics, having all those knobs and stuff. Probably almost no one uses anything about those breakout boxes, people just like the looks.

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Reply 46004 of 46475, by H3nrik V!

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RandomStranger wrote on 2022-08-18, 06:40:
Kahenraz wrote on 2022-08-18, 06:35:
H3nrik V! wrote on 2022-08-16, 16:47:

SB0460 Fatal1ty with break out box. Haven't got ANY clue if it's of any interest, but "oh, something to fill a 5.25 bay" 🤣

I've thought about buying one of these for years, but I can't ever think of anything to plug into one.

I think it's mostly about aesthetics, having all those knobs and stuff. Probably almost no one uses anything about those breakout boxes, people just like the looks.

Yeah, you're probably right about that 🤣

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Reply 46005 of 46475, by CrFr

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RandomStranger wrote on 2022-08-18, 06:40:
Kahenraz wrote on 2022-08-18, 06:35:
H3nrik V! wrote on 2022-08-16, 16:47:

SB0460 Fatal1ty with break out box. Haven't got ANY clue if it's of any interest, but "oh, something to fill a 5.25 bay" 🤣

I've thought about buying one of these for years, but I can't ever think of anything to plug into one.

I think it's mostly about aesthetics, having all those knobs and stuff. Probably almost no one uses anything about those breakout boxes, people just like the looks.

I had one of those sound cards back when they were new. If I recall correct, the headphone amp in the bay unit was pretty decent, so it was not just for show 😀 Other connectors I never even tried 😁

Reply 46006 of 46475, by DerBaum

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CrFr wrote on 2022-08-18, 11:03:
RandomStranger wrote on 2022-08-18, 06:40:
Kahenraz wrote on 2022-08-18, 06:35:

I've thought about buying one of these for years, but I can't ever think of anything to plug into one.

I think it's mostly about aesthetics, having all those knobs and stuff. Probably almost no one uses anything about those breakout boxes, people just like the looks.

I had one of those sound cards back when they were new. If I recall correct, the headphone amp in the bay unit was pretty decent, so it was not just for show 😀 Other connectors I never even tried 😁

Is there something better then more populated drive bays? The creative Drives are one of the more useful things to get.
I remember some pretty useless things you could buy like an ashtray 😁

Reply 46007 of 46475, by Kahenraz

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Back when it was relevant, I would connect multiple disc drives as I got new ones but the old ones were still relevant. It wasn't uncommon to have more than one disk available at a time, maybe you wanted to leave a game's play disc in, keep one available for burning, and a third was your only DVD drive and you might want to play a movie later. This trend has had diminishing returns as multi-everything drives have become cheap and ubiquitous, and there is significantly less (if any) consumable media on disc for the PC anymore.

My retro machine has three 5.25" bays. One has a DVD-RW/CD-RW drive. The other has a 5.25" floppy drive that isn't connected but I might use in the future. I have no idea what to do with the third bay.

Reply 46008 of 46475, by Meatball

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Kahenraz wrote on 2022-08-18, 13:36:

Back when it was relevant, I would connect multiple disc drives as I got new ones but the old ones were still relevant. It wasn't uncommon to have more than one disk available at a time, maybe you wanted to leave a game's play disc in, keep one available for burning, and a third was your only DVD drive and you might want to play a movie later. This trend has had diminishing returns as multi-everything drives have become cheap and ubiquitous, and there is significantly less (if any) consumable media on disc for the PC anymore.

My retro machine has three 5.25" bays. One has a DVD-RW/CD-RW drive. The other has a 5.25" floppy drive that isn't connected but I might use in the future. I have no idea what to do with the third bay.

Add more unused USB ports!

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Reply 46009 of 46475, by acl

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RandomStranger wrote on 2022-08-18, 06:40:

I think it's mostly about aesthetics, having all those knobs and stuff. Probably almost no one uses anything about those breakout boxes, people just like the looks.

The one i have is not even connected.

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Reply 46010 of 46475, by Kahenraz

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Meatball wrote on 2022-08-18, 13:39:

Add more unused USB ports!

I thought about USB, but there are usually front panel connectors for that. These old motherboards boards probably only support USB 1.1 or 2.0, even with add-on cards, so even if there are only a few front ports, a hub is usually fine and there isn't a pressing need to provide more dedicated ports in an expansion bay.

Another thing I used to use my 5.25" bays for was hot swappable 2.5" or 3.5" hard drives. But again, this isn't really something I would see myself doing in a retro rig.

Maybe you could add an IDE-to-CF bay or a SD/CF USB multi-reader, but these are also reasonable for the 3.5" bays. And if it's USB anyways, you don't need to dedicate a bay for it; this would only be useful if it's connect via IDE, and there are already 3.5" bays for that.

Reply 46011 of 46475, by Radical Vision

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WJG6260 wrote on 2022-08-17, 19:07:
A bit late since this technically arrived a little ago, but nonetheless, I finally found a DDR Pentium III board! Featuring the […]
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A bit late since this technically arrived a little ago, but nonetheless, I finally found a DDR Pentium III board! Featuring the VIA Apollo Pro 266 chipset, and support for both DDR SDRAM and SDR SDRAM, this board is pretty feature complete. It's even got the semi-ubiquitous Promise IDE RAID controller onboard.

A couple of things I have noticed in testing this board include the following:

  • For a VIA chipset, this is remarkably stable, more-so than the VIA 694X motherboards I've tested.
  • This board is wicked fast, yielding memory reads in the ~750MB/s range and writes in the ~420MB/s range with a PIII-S 1.26.
  • The quirks this board had when reviewed by THG (no AGP Fast Write support) seem to have been remedied by the latest BIOS and performance notably increases upon upgrade to v1.5.
  • Between DDR and SDR, the performance delta is measurable, but not quite as large as you'd at first guess. This makes sense, given the bandwidth-limited FSB of the PIII, but still, the fact that there's any performance difference just shows how nice these mature DDR chipsets could be.

Overall, then, this board is pretty weird, but nice and capable all the same.

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Nice board, it appears MSI are also proud of their creation, as it says MSI DDR on the heatsink lolol.

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Reply 46013 of 46475, by PTherapist

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Been picking up some more weird & wonderful retro hardware, my latest acquisition this very dirty and in need of some maintenance Philips CD-I 210:

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Didn't cost me a lot, but does need a fair bit of work to get it working 100%, as well as cleaned up etc. As the pic shows, I've removed the lid and started some work to get basic functionality going, but I'm thinking this is going to be a project for coming weeks.

Not to mention I'll have to fix that damn soldered dead Dallas-like battery, to add a CR2032 holder at some point.

Reply 46014 of 46475, by BitWrangler

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-08-18, 01:15:
Picked up these two Socket 7 CPUs, a low voltage P90 and a 225 Win Chip. […]
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Picked up these two Socket 7 CPUs, a low voltage P90 and a 225 Win Chip.

Winchip.jpg

Pentium 90.jpg

Going to throw them in the HX rig and see how they perform relative to my other CPUs in that speed range.

The P90 might be good for a pure DOS rig.

I just discovered I have a Winchip to hunt for in the pile if some old scribblings are correct. It might be a Winchip 2 266, some sources say it must be a 2A if it's a 266... But anyway, catching some hints they have multi control with the settings progs, so pondering sticking it in an FX or HX single voltage board to be a "dial a speed" system. I'm setting a K6-2+ up like that anyway, but think this one will go half the bottom speed of that one on multis and thus might be more 286ey at the low end with cache off.

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Reply 46016 of 46475, by SteveC

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PTherapist wrote on 2022-08-18, 18:50:
Been picking up some more weird & wonderful retro hardware, my latest acquisition this very dirty and in need of some maintenanc […]
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Been picking up some more weird & wonderful retro hardware, my latest acquisition this very dirty and in need of some maintenance Philips CD-I 210:

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Didn't cost me a lot, but does need a fair bit of work to get it working 100%, as well as cleaned up etc. As the pic shows, I've removed the lid and started some work to get basic functionality going, but I'm thinking this is going to be a project for coming weeks.

Not to mention I'll have to fix that damn soldered dead Dallas-like battery, to add a CR2032 holder at some point.

Good luck!

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Reply 46017 of 46475, by TrashPanda

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On my trawling for interesting, odd or just plain weird socket 7 cpus I ran across a seller from Taiwan selling these Rise MP6 266 CPUs, never heard of Rise before except here and have never seen one of these in the flesh before. No idea what the performance of these Rise chips are but I'm happy to have yet another oddity for my socket 7 test bench. (Assuming its not a fake...thats always a possibility with CPUs)

According to CPU world its FPU is somewhere around Pentium 200 MMX and its Integer is closer to AMD K6 233 so it should be a fun little CPU to add to benchmarks and GPU testing.

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Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 46018 of 46475, by PD2JK

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I got my hands on a Pentium III-S 1400 to replace the Celeron 1300. The FSB could easily be lifted to 122 MHz with the Celeron.

The Pentium however... Everything above 133 MHz is not being saved in the BIOS, it just boots right away with 133MHz FSB. The first option higher than 133, is 138 on this AOpen MX3S-T board.

Highscreen AT: Pentium MMX 200@233 / Highscreen ATX: Athlon Classic 700

Reply 46019 of 46475, by Kahenraz

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-08-19, 05:02:

On my trawling for interesting, odd or just plain weird socket 7 cpus I ran across a seller from Taiwan selling these Rise MP6 266 CPUs, never heard of Rise before except here and have never seen one of these in the flesh before. No idea what the performance of these Rise chips are but I'm happy to have yet another oddity for my socket 7 test bench. (Assuming its not a fake...thats always a possibility with CPUs)

According to CPU world its FPU is somewhere around Pentium 200 MMX and its Integer is closer to AMD K6 233 so it should be a fun little CPU to add to benchmarks and GPU testing.

See how it benchmarks with Quake compared to a Pentium 200. That's a good indicator of early FPU performing, since the Pentium already carries the prevailing game optimizations.