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Bought these (retro) hardware today

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Reply 52620 of 52983, by OMORES

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This HDD-FDD Controller NCL NDC5425 dated cca. 1988

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Reply 52621 of 52983, by Dan386DX

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I really appreciate all the replies regarding the FX 5500, I won't quote everone individually but I will run some benchmarks on the P3 Coppermine tonight and let you know it's looking. I read that some, if not most FX 5500s ran on a 128-bit bus, where as the 5200 was almost exclusively 64-bit despite sharing the same core. Of course, mine is further limited by being the PCI version.

FWIW, I bought this GPU planning to use it with a 6x86MX PR300, it's looking increasingly like that's a terrible idea 🤣

90s PC: IBM 6x86 MX 233MHz. TNT2 M64. 256MB/1GB.
Boring modern PC: i7-12700, RX 7800XT. 32GB/1TB.
Fixer upper project: NEC Powermate 486SX/25. 16MB/400MB.

Reply 52623 of 52983, by acl

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Dan386DX wrote on 2024-04-16, 19:09:

I really appreciate all the replies regarding the FX 5500, I won't quote everone individually but I will run some benchmarks on the P3 Coppermine tonight and let you know it's looking. I read that some, if not most FX 5500s ran on a 128-bit bus, where as the 5200 was almost exclusively 64-bit despite sharing the same core. Of course, mine is further limited by being the PCI version.

FWIW, I bought this GPU planning to use it with a 6x86MX PR300, it's looking increasingly like that's a terrible idea 🤣

Not sure if the PCI bottlenecks that much.
I tested a much later system last week and played with a late PCI GPU.
It was a P4 Presscott 3.8 with a PCI HD 4350.
HL2 runs on very high + AA4x at 1024x768 (30+ fps)
I pushed it a little with Crysis. Which ran at 800x600 on low in the 15 to 20-something fps (dropping a lot during fights)

(Edit : and the games were running from a USB ke 😃)

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Testing it in a faster system could show some improvements over the P3. (And driver version is key, as always)

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Reply 52624 of 52983, by berenyi_kft

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Some cards that I got today 😀

Sapphire Radeon HD 3850 AGP with an orange label instead of the more common blue one(all the other cards I've seen had blue labels)

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Canopus SPECTRA 7400 GeForce 256 DDR

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AOpen Aeolus GeForce4 Ti4200 8X

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And last, but most definitely not least..
AOpen Aeolus GeForce FX5950 Ultra

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Motherboard: ASRock 775i65G rev 3.0
CPU: Intel Pentium Dual Core E5800 3.2GHZ
RAM: Corsair CMX1024-3200C2PRO DDR 400MHz CL2 1GB x 2
GPU: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3850 AGP
Sound: Audigy 2 ZS
CRT: Iiyama Vision Master Pro 454 HM903DT 19'' 1920x1440 85Hz

Reply 52625 of 52983, by devius

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Got a PCIe XFX GeForce 6800 Xtreme 256MB. I only realized it was missing a cover over most of the heatsink when I got home after buying it.

This is actually my first dedicated PCIe graphics card ever.

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Reply 52626 of 52983, by berenyi_kft

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Dan386DX wrote on 2024-04-16, 19:09:

I really appreciate all the replies regarding the FX 5500, I won't quote everone individually but I will run some benchmarks on the P3 Coppermine tonight and let you know it's looking. I read that some, if not most FX 5500s ran on a 128-bit bus, where as the 5200 was almost exclusively 64-bit despite sharing the same core. Of course, mine is further limited by being the PCI version.

FWIW, I bought this GPU planning to use it with a 6x86MX PR300, it's looking increasingly like that's a terrible idea 🤣

While I'm pretty sure that most FX 5500 cards have a 128bit memory interface, there are a few exceptions, this is true for most FX 5200 cards having a 64bit memory interface as well, both cards can come with either config, I believe even the FX 5700 LE cards have a 64bit memory interface.. although those cards don't suffer as much because they at least utilise their bandwidth more efficiently

Motherboard: ASRock 775i65G rev 3.0
CPU: Intel Pentium Dual Core E5800 3.2GHZ
RAM: Corsair CMX1024-3200C2PRO DDR 400MHz CL2 1GB x 2
GPU: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 3850 AGP
Sound: Audigy 2 ZS
CRT: Iiyama Vision Master Pro 454 HM903DT 19'' 1920x1440 85Hz

Reply 52627 of 52983, by Dan386DX

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Okay, so after forcing an earlier driver to work with the FX 5500, I managed to get 20% more in 3DMark 2001. Driver 45.23 works with Windows 98 but doesn't support FX 5500 without a little tweaking.

With a Pentium III 500e, one of the more modest Coppermine P3s, I was able to get reasonable 3D performance in Swat 3, but Project IGI still chugs. Now the latter game I remember playing on my S370 Celeron using onboard graphics in 2001, and at the time I didn't notice performance to be an issue at all - could just be that I was more used to bad frame rates then, but I'm almost certain the experience I'm getting with the FX is worse than that was.

@acl - thank you for the detailed post, there is an interesting guide on Phil's channel where he compares FX5500 AGP vs PCI, worth checking out. I think you're right though, and I'm bottlenecking the hell out of the card.

Would you guys say that running this card with 6x86 233MHz is a pointless endeavour? Could anybody suggest a better-fitting PCI card?

Anyway, here's the benchmarks, at stock vs the modded 45.23 driver.

...and now I will stop hijacking this thread 😀

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90s PC: IBM 6x86 MX 233MHz. TNT2 M64. 256MB/1GB.
Boring modern PC: i7-12700, RX 7800XT. 32GB/1TB.
Fixer upper project: NEC Powermate 486SX/25. 16MB/400MB.

Reply 52628 of 52983, by Repo Man11

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Kahenraz wrote on 2024-04-16, 19:30:

I think that the FX 5500 is exclusively 128-bit. I'm just spitballing, but I can't think of any examples that I have encountered otherwise.

Unfortunately this isn't true. I had a hard time finding a 128 bit one (a PCI one anyway), and one that I purchased that was advertised as such turned out to be 64 bit.

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Reply 52629 of 52983, by Trashbytes

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Repo Man11 wrote on 2024-04-17, 01:08:
Kahenraz wrote on 2024-04-16, 19:30:

I think that the FX 5500 is exclusively 128-bit. I'm just spitballing, but I can't think of any examples that I have encountered otherwise.

Unfortunately this isn't true. I had a hard time finding a 128 bit one (a PCI one anyway), and one that I purchased that was advertised as such turned out to be 64 bit.

Likely a rebadged 5200 with a bios mod to make it a 5500, since they are essentially the same silicon with the only real difference being that the OG 5500 was the full 128bit bus with higher clocks, they even share the same horrible feature cuts and same even more shit DX9 performance.

Reply 52630 of 52983, by zuldan

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This little beauty arrived today. I'll need to replace 4 caps but she still works fine. I thought the Geforce 2 Ti's were 64MB but this one is showing itself as 128MB?

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Reply 52632 of 52983, by BitWrangler

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MSI had a short spate of gussied up models, would be a Starforce Titanium VIVO or something

Unicorn herding operations are proceeding, but all the totes of hens teeth and barrels of rocking horse poop give them plenty of hiding spots.

Reply 52633 of 52983, by Trashbytes

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Kahenraz wrote on 2024-04-17, 03:55:

I've never heard of a 128MB GeForce 2-anything. Even Quadro 2s were only ever 64MB. Very curious.

https://www.pcstats.com/articles/915/index.html

Its one of the early 1.1 versions with 5ns ram . .likely that program is reading it wrong as it should be 64Mb according to MSI specs, could the GF2 adress 128Mb of DDR ? ...would be very weird as we didn't see 128Mb till the GF3 TI cards.

Reply 52634 of 52983, by BetaC

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Today I picked up a dinky little guy.

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I mean just look at him. Small PCB, weird feature connector popping outta his head. And he doesn't even fit in to the system he's meant to be put in to.

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I mean, just look at those hanging fingers...

As you can tell by the joking, It's not actually a bad thing to have. This is an ATi VGA Wonder Basic, which just so happens to support being inside an 8-Bit machine like my XT. Lo and behold, I can finally use something actually readable to do things on said XT instead of the smeary 5151.

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And hey, it's compatible with most modes it seems.

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I certainly can't complain.

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Reply 52635 of 52983, by zuldan

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-04-17, 04:07:
Kahenraz wrote on 2024-04-17, 03:55:

I've never heard of a 128MB GeForce 2-anything. Even Quadro 2s were only ever 64MB. Very curious.

https://www.pcstats.com/articles/915/index.html

Its one of the early 1.1 versions with 5ns ram . .likely that program is reading it wrong as it should be 64Mb according to MSI specs, could the GF2 adress 128Mb of DDR ? ...would be very weird as we didn't see 128Mb till the GF3 TI cards.

This site mentions “Max memory 128MB”. https://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu/item … dia-geforce2-ti

I’ll run some other software packages and see what they report.

Reply 52636 of 52983, by Trashbytes

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zuldan wrote on 2024-04-17, 06:10:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-04-17, 04:07:
Kahenraz wrote on 2024-04-17, 03:55:

I've never heard of a 128MB GeForce 2-anything. Even Quadro 2s were only ever 64MB. Very curious.

https://www.pcstats.com/articles/915/index.html

Its one of the early 1.1 versions with 5ns ram . .likely that program is reading it wrong as it should be 64Mb according to MSI specs, could the GF2 adress 128Mb of DDR ? ...would be very weird as we didn't see 128Mb till the GF3 TI cards.

This site mentions “Max memory 128MB”. https://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cpu/item … dia-geforce2-ti

I’ll run some other software packages and see what they report.

If it is 128Mb then thats a very nice GPU to have around ! totally worth replacing all the caps on it and perhaps finding some small heat sinks for the memory.

Reply 52637 of 52983, by zuldan

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-04-17, 06:15:

If it is 128Mb then thats a very nice GPU to have around ! totally worth replacing all the caps on it and perhaps finding some small heat sinks for the memory.

I really hope it’s 128mb. I grabbed it for $30 plus delivery. I’m surprised you didn’t take it before me 😉

Reply 52638 of 52983, by Trashbytes

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zuldan wrote on 2024-04-17, 07:12:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-04-17, 06:15:

If it is 128Mb then thats a very nice GPU to have around ! totally worth replacing all the caps on it and perhaps finding some small heat sinks for the memory.

I really hope it’s 128mb. I grabbed it for $30 plus delivery. I’m surprised you didn’t take it before me 😉

I saw it and realised I dont need anymore repair projects and I already have 3 GF2 cards.

Reply 52639 of 52983, by zuldan

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Trashbytes wrote on 2024-04-17, 07:20:
zuldan wrote on 2024-04-17, 07:12:
Trashbytes wrote on 2024-04-17, 06:15:

If it is 128Mb then thats a very nice GPU to have around ! totally worth replacing all the caps on it and perhaps finding some small heat sinks for the memory.

I really hope it’s 128mb. I grabbed it for $30 plus delivery. I’m surprised you didn’t take it before me 😉

I saw it and realised I dont need anymore repair projects and I already have 3 GF2 cards.

Sounds like you have too many cards. I think you should sell me your GeForce 4 Ti4600 for $30 😉 🤣