Where? As i heard that is not parallel port but something else.

Stojke wrote:

Where? As i heard that is not parallel port but something else.

Oh I thought it's just a standard serial port 😊

Oh yeah, there are those longer ones.
I found one of those with normal serial connection but the guy sells it with 8 additional ones:

Wow! I own 2 of those 😀 Logitech is a beauty!

Stojke wrote:

Oh yeah, there are those longer ones.
I found one of those with normal serial connection but the guy sells it with 8 additional ones:]

Historical "normal" serial is 25-pin. From first IBM PC, or may be earlier. But from middle 80-s 9-pin version is became more popular.
I those days usually we have 2 serial, 1st - 9pin for mouse, 2-nd 25 pin for modem, but it's electrically similar.

Yeah, that blue Logitech mouse is very nice indeed.

Bought a Sansui A-40 amplifier at Cikapundung bazaar in my hometown. My AU-7900 badly needs restoration, so this nice little A-40 could serve as "temporary measure" while I'm restoring the 7900. 😀

MSI Master2-FAR, came with dual Opteron 275s. Will need to test this board before I figure out what to do with it. I've got a GTX 480 I was planning on running on a K8N-DL, but couldn't find a board for it. I may use that on this, but I'm thinking dual 9800GX2s might be more fun... if I can find a working pair in good condition.

ATI 9800 Pro. This was originally for a Mac Pro G5, but I'm gonna try flashing this card with a PC bios.

My voodoo5 5500 pci finally arrived today! Paid 50 euro for it and that`s the most i paid for a 3dfx card but even in the netherlands they are hard to find so i had to buy it.... 😀

I went testing the card and thankfully it is in full working condition. I noticed tough that the 3dmark scores were a little lower than i thought so i put my 5500 agp back in the system and benched again...

Then i decided to put in my voodoo3 3500tv just to see what it would do in this system. I was shocked..... I always thought that the difference in speed between a voodoo 5 agp and pci was around 5% percent, not 20%!
And even more shocking was the fact that the 3500 came very close in 3dmark2000 and actually beat de pci version in 3dmark99 max!!!!

Have to do some game testing but here are the results so far:

test system: Asus Tusl2-c , 512mb pc133 cl2, Pentium3-s tualatin 1400mhz 512kb cache, windows xp.

same drivers (amigamerlin), no overclocks, v-sync off,

3dmark2000= 1024x768 16bit color
3dmark99= 800x600 16bit color

3dmark2000:

v5 agp: 4800
v5 pci 4000
v3 3500 agp: 3500

3dmark 99 max:

v5 agp: 8200
v5 pci: 6800
v3 3500 agp: 7200!!!

i know voodoo5 shines with higher resolutions, 32bit color and AA but i never expected the 20% difference between de v5`s or the great performance of the v3 at this common settings (and the fact that it scales so well).

what do you guys think about this?

3dmark is shitty shit

m1919 wrote:

ATI 9800 Pro. This was originally for a Mac Pro G5, but I'm gonna try flashing this card with a PC bios

I was under the impression that the Mac version could not work on a PC motherboard regardless of if you're able to flash the bios. The Mac G5 used a different AGP Pro slot that provided more power than your standard PC AGP slot. Hence the lack of an external power connector on the Mac version 9800 Pro compared to the PC version which draws it's power from the psu and not the AGP slot. Correct me if I'm wrong though because I've never tried this myself.

borgie83 wrote:

m1919 wrote:

ATI 9800 Pro. This was originally for a Mac Pro G5, but I'm gonna try flashing this card with a PC bios

I was under the impression that the Mac version could not work on a PC motherboard regardless of if you're able to flash the bios. The Mac G5 used a different AGP Pro slot that provided more power than your standard PC AGP slot. Hence the lack of an external power connector on the Mac version 9800 Pro compared to the PC version which draws it's power from the psu and not the AGP slot. Correct me if I'm wrong though because I've never tried this myself.

I have multiple dual-slot/dual-socket boards that have AGP Pro slots on them. The only issue I might run into is that the Mac Pro 9800 Pro seems to have some extra pins that are not for the AGP pro slot, not sure what those are for.

m1919 wrote:

I have multiple dual-slot/dual-socket boards that have AGP Pro slots on them. The only issue I might run into is that the Mac Pro 9800 Pro seems to have some extra pins that are not for the AGP pro slot, not sure what those are for.

Here, have a read of this:

http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/radeon-9800.html

It appears as though pins 3 and 11 will need to be taped over or similar for this to work at all.

borgie83 wrote:

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m1919 wrote:

I have multiple dual-slot/dual-socket boards that have AGP Pro slots on them. The only issue I might run into is that the Mac Pro 9800 Pro seems to have some extra pins that are not for the AGP pro slot, not sure what those are for.

Here, have a read of this:

http://lowendmac.com/video/agp/radeon-9800.html

It appears as though pins 3 and 11 will need to be taped over or similar for this to work at all.

That's probably not gonna be a problem as I believe those pins are on that extra tab behind the slot bracket.

These pins do look like power to me... 2xGND made as one and 1x12V.

From WIki: There are some proprietary systems incompatible with standard AGP; for example, Apple Power Macintosh computers with the Apple Display Connector (ADC) have an extra connector which delivers power to the attached display. Some cards designed to work with a specific CPU architecture (e.g., PC, Apple) may not work with others due to firmware issues.

Stojke wrote:

From WIki: There are some proprietary systems incompatible with standard AGP; for example, Apple Power Macintosh computers with the Apple Display Connector (ADC) have an extra connector which delivers power to the attached display. Some cards designed to work with a specific CPU architecture (e.g., PC, Apple) may not work with others due to firmware issues.

Not sure the former is relevant, since that pertains to stock AGP, and we're talking about AGP Pro here; the latter is well known anyway.

On the Mac card; if I'm understanding correctly the 9800 Pro is a G5 card, which means Pin 3/11 are unused for ADC (because the card is AGP 8x and requires 3/11 for AGP 8x to work), and all of ADC's power is coming through that extra finger (that sits in front of the AGP Pro shoe). What I'm unsure about is whether or not the card will refuse to boot up without power to the ADC connector - the card itself should be receiving its power via AGP Pro, and the DVI data component of ADC is likely to still be available (I don't know if adapters exist to let you plug into that though), but the board may not want to start without the power drive for ADC as well. On a normal AGP Pro board that extra finger should just "hang" in space, but it MAY conflict with some capacitors or other SMDs. Here's what an AGP Pro card (designed for non-Apple hardware) looks like, for reference:
http://vgamuseum.ru/wp-content/gallery/3dlabs … cat4_7110_f.jpg

You might try covering the ADC finger with tape to prevent it from contact with anything (I don't know if it will be energized with the card powered on - or if it may short to something depending on what it touches). I don't know if that will be necessary though.

Certainly keep us updated on how this plays out. 😀

The Master2-FAR with a pair of 9800GX2s would be a very neat machine by the way - QuadSLI and dual socket, very snazzy indeed. 😀

obobskivich wrote:

The Master2-FAR with a pair of 9800GX2s would be a very neat machine by the way - QuadSLI and dual socket, very snazzy indeed. 😀

I've got the 9800GX2s in mind already. Just need to find a pair of them for cheap 🤣.

m1919 wrote:

obobskivich wrote:

The Master2-FAR with a pair of 9800GX2s would be a very neat machine by the way - QuadSLI and dual socket, very snazzy indeed. 😀

I've got the 9800GX2s in mind already. Just need to find a pair of them for cheap 🤣.

If I remember right I saw one the other day for $60 or so on ebay, quick looking shows a number of them at $60-$65/ea BIN. Like these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/nVidia-GeForce-9800GX … =item35d67e29b3
http://www.ebay.com/itm/nVidia-GeForce-9800-G … =item5afeff48db
(personally I'd buy two from the same lot)

You might also consider 7950GX2 if you just wanted to play with QuadSLI; the K8N you have doesn't explicitly appear on the GX2 HCL, but the chipset does, so there's a chance it would work. It wouldn't save much money (probably $30-$40 overall), but they run much cooler, use a lot less power, are very quiet, and are still neat to toy around with. No PhysX/CUDA/DX10/etc though. They do have Windows Vista/7 64-bit drivers, if the board also supports that. 😀