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Reply 11880 of 53677, by Cyrix200+

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Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who loves Slot A. It's pretty rare, I got lucky finding some hardware. I hope it works... 😀

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Gold finger devices are STUPID rare. its annoys me a great deal, having a wonderful 1ghz slot-a cpu and a top-notch board and not have one of these devices.

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That is a nice board, I have one i just retired from my sisters system. I put in a LV xeon and I'm going to use it as a DIY-router for when gigabit fiber comes to my area. (VERY SOON)

I know they are. I'm secretly hoping Cyrix200+ found some online and someone has em for sale.... I dream.

Haha. It came from the seller of the mainboard, he said he had 'a thing to overclock it with' if I wanted it. For free 😜

I dremeled out a window in the already-opened CPU so the GFD can fit on there with the case on the CPU. Looks a bit nicer.

I noticed that the heatplate on the back of both CPU's does not touch the cache chips. I remember that is was always a big gap and that there was thermal paste in between. I probably need to restore that one day.

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Reply 11881 of 53677, by kithylin

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Cyrix200+ wrote:
Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who loves Slot A. It's pretty rare, I got lucky finding some hardware. I hope it works... […]
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Glad to hear that I'm not the only one who loves Slot A. It's pretty rare, I got lucky finding some hardware. I hope it works... 😀

kithylin wrote:
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Gold finger devices are STUPID rare. its annoys me a great deal, having a wonderful 1ghz slot-a cpu and a top-notch board and not have one of these devices.

@brancho

That is a nice board, I have one i just retired from my sisters system. I put in a LV xeon and I'm going to use it as a DIY-router for when gigabit fiber comes to my area. (VERY SOON)

I know they are. I'm secretly hoping Cyrix200+ found some online and someone has em for sale.... I dream.

Haha. It came from the seller of the mainboard, he said he had 'a thing to overclock it with' if I wanted it. For free 😜

I dremeled out a window in the already-opened CPU so the GFD can fit on there with the case on the CPU. Looks a bit nicer.

I noticed that the heatplate on the back of both CPU's does not touch the cache chips. I remember that is was always a big gap and that there was thermal paste in between. I probably need to restore that one day.

You lucky SOB getting one of those free. I've always wanted one.. I didn't even know they existed until years after the chips were "obosleted" and by then they weren't produced anymore. One of the "Unobtanium" things I've wanted for many years now. 🙁

Reply 11882 of 53677, by Bancho

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Bit of a random purchase showed up today. Not knowing much about 370 Intel Chipsets, I saw this and thought it looked interesting. uATX, AGP, ISA slot. I didn't pay any attention to the memory slots until after i put an offer in. I couldn't see any markings on the board but though i would put an offer in anyways. It turns out its a Shuttle HOT 687Z, which has the ZX chipset and from reading up is for Celeron's. Now my knowledge of Celeron's is non existent. What would be a good Celeron to put into this board? Can it accept Pentium's or is it strictly limited to Celeron's? Anyone have any experience with this board?

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Reply 11883 of 53677, by Cyrix200+

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The ZX chipset is very similar to the BX, supports only 2 memory slots. This board probably does not support Coppermine or Tualatin CPU voltages, so a classic Celeron is pretty much all you can use. I think the fastest one is 533MHz.

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Bit of a random purchase showed up today. Not knowing much about 370 Intel Chipsets, I saw this and thought it looked interesting. uATX, AGP, ISA slot. I didn't pay any attention to the memory slots until after i put an offer in. I couldn't see any markings on the board but though i would put an offer in anyways. It turns out its a Shuttle HOT 687Z, which has the ZX chipset and from reading up is for Celeron's. Now my knowledge of Celeron's is non existent. What would be a good Celeron to put into this board? Can it accept Pentium's or is it strictly limited to Celeron's? Anyone have any experience with this board?

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Reply 11884 of 53677, by Artex

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NEC PowerVR PCX2 + Tseng Labs ET6100 + ESS Agogo-XP - Videologic Apocalypse 5D Sonic 6MB PCI (1997) (Sealed)

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Reply 11885 of 53677, by Lukeno94

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Well, it officially supports up to 500 MHz CPUs on a 100 MHz FSB, or 466 on a 66 MHz FSB, according to this, all Celerons. So I'd be surprised if it was capable of handling anything other than a Mendocino Celeron (which, as Cyrix says, goes no higher than 533 MHz), because those are 2V parts and no other Socket 370 CPU used that voltage - they were all lower ones. Those Celerons were a bit of an oddball, in that they had 1/4 of the cache of a PII or PIII, but it runs at full speed, whilst those systems had half-speed cache. This means that in certain circumstances, a Celeron will outstrip an equivalent PII/Katmai PIII, particularly if you overclock the FSB to 100 MHz (as many did with their Celeron 300As back in the day).

Despite the seeming Celeron limitation, it does look like it was a nice enough little board, with a generous amount of fan headers for the time, AGP, PCI and ISA, two USB ports and all the caps look good.

Reply 11886 of 53677, by keropi

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[quote="Artex"]NEC PowerVR PCX2 + Tseng Labs ET6100 + ESS Agogo-XP - Videologic Apocalypse 5D Sonic 6MB PCI (1997) (Sealed)
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wow, another unobtanium in the collection, kudos!

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Reply 11887 of 53677, by Artex

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keropi wrote:

wow, another unobtanium in the collection, kudos!

Thanks Keropi!! This gem completes my boxed Videologic Apocalypse set! 😎

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Reply 11888 of 53677, by BSA Starfire

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Lukeno94 wrote:

Well, it officially supports up to 500 MHz CPUs on a 100 MHz FSB, or 466 on a 66 MHz FSB, according to this, all Celerons. So I'd be surprised if it was capable of handling anything other than a Mendocino Celeron (which, as Cyrix says, goes no higher than 533 MHz), because those are 2V parts and no other Socket 370 CPU used that voltage - they were all lower ones. Those Celerons were a bit of an oddball, in that they had 1/4 of the cache of a PII or PIII, but it runs at full speed, whilst those systems had half-speed cache. This means that in certain circumstances, a Celeron will outstrip an equivalent PII/Katmai PIII, particularly if you overclock the FSB to 100 MHz (as many did with their Celeron 300As back in the day).

Despite the seeming Celeron limitation, it does look like it was a nice enough little board, with a generous amount of fan headers for the time, AGP, PCI and ISA, two USB ports and all the caps look good.

I'm using a Celeron "Mendocino" 466 MHz in one of my builds, and not because I have to either! It's a good little chip for the time(1999/2000) I think you'll find that board will work very well with a similar CPU, back with that generation Celeron's were not the mess they were before with "Covington" cache-less disasters of a year before. The later "Coppermine 128"'s were not really so great either, the extra MHz didn't really make up for the 66MHz FSB but "Mendocino" was a great choice when it was new. Celeron got good again with the 100 Mhz FSB "Coppermine" parts and the "Tuleron", but that was a good bit into the future.

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Reply 11889 of 53677, by Skyscraper

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Artex wrote:

NEC PowerVR PCX2 + Tseng Labs ET6100 + ESS Agogo-XP - Videologic Apocalypse 5D Sonic 6MB PCI (1997) (Sealed)

That is a great find! 😀

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Reply 11890 of 53677, by BSA Starfire

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Artex wrote:
NEC PowerVR PCX2 + Tseng Labs ET6100 + ESS Agogo-XP - Videologic Apocalypse 5D Sonic 6MB PCI (1997) (Sealed) […]
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wow, that is awesome, great Tseng et6k for DOS stuff, Power VR & great audio, Makes you wonder why this is rare! On the face of it it's a great combination so should have sold by the bucket load. Wonder what happened?

Brill find regardless, have fun with it.
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Reply 11893 of 53677, by BSA Starfire

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The Voodoos wiped the floor with the other 3D accelerators until late*ish 98 😁
85% market share bitches

That is very true, I wonder why this didn't make it into thousands of OEM boxes though? It just seems a perfect combination, better than the ATI RAGE that most of them probably ended up with.

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Reply 11894 of 53677, by Lukeno94

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BSA Starfire wrote:
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The Voodoos wiped the floor with the other 3D accelerators until late*ish 98 😁
85% market share bitches

That is very true, I wonder why this didn't make it into thousands of OEM boxes though? It just seems a perfect combination, better than the ATI RAGE that most of them probably ended up with.

The fact the Voodoos were 3D-only cards probably had a lot to do with it, as did the fact that the Rage may well have been cheaper and easier to get hold of.

Reply 11895 of 53677, by Artex

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BSA Starfire wrote:
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The Voodoos wiped the floor with the other 3D accelerators until late*ish 98 😁
85% market share bitches

That is very true, I wonder why this didn't make it into thousands of OEM boxes though? It just seems a perfect combination, better than the ATI RAGE that most of them probably ended up with.

Well, I can tell you the the Videlogic PowerVR Midas3 made it into thousands of Compaq Presario systems back in 1996.

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Reply 11896 of 53677, by RacoonRider

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Arctic wrote:

@BSAstarfire
The Voodoos wiped the floor with the other 3D accelerators until late*ish 98 😁
85% market share bitches

*Waiting for Hightreason to read this with a bucket of popcorn* 🤣

Reply 11897 of 53677, by devius

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Got this Unisys CWP51007:

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It houses a large collection of dust bunnies, but it still works. The date was a few months off, but if the original battery was never replaced it's still impressive that it actually still has some charge in it.

Since I didn't want to spend the rest of the day sneezing I didn't kept it open for too long, so I'm not sure yet about all the internals. I know it's a Pentium 100 and the original HDD was replaced by a Seagate SCSI unit at some point. It was supposed to come with and IDE HDD when new, but the original HDD wasn't there. Strangely the FDD was also a much newer replacement (manufactured in 2000) and wasn't even connected to anything, so it makes me wonder if the motherboard's built-in HDD and FDD controller is still working.

The interesting thing about this machine is that it's a perfectly normal IBM PC compatible unit but comes with Unisys' proprietary OS which was called CTOS. I'm perfectly at home with command-line interfaces namely on Linux, OSX and MS-DOS/Windows but I felt like a complete idiot when trying to do anything on this machine 😁 I guess this is what people that never used any command-line ever feel like when they are told to "just use the command-line, it's easy" 🤣

I discovered there's a dir and a edit command, but even understanding how to use those was complicated. I couldn't really "edit" anything, and the directory listing looked like this (with several more similar pages):

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PS: I actually got 2 more identical PCs but haven't tried them yet. Those don't seem to have SCSI disks though.

Reply 11898 of 53677, by HighTreason

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@RaccoonRider; Oh, ha ha ha.

I would think by now it would be common knowledge that all early 3D accelerators were poor and offered little outside of novelty value anyway, regardless of who made them. Some day, when I have time and a system I don't mind ruining, I'll put the statistics together and show you exactly what things look like without rose tinted nostalgia goggles, delusions or blind fanboyism towards any particular vendor.

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Reply 11899 of 53677, by F2bnp

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HighTreason wrote:

I would think by now it would be common knowledge that all early 3D accelerators were poor and offered little outside of novelty value anyway, regardless of who made them. Some day, when I have time and a system I don't mind ruining, I'll put the statistics together and show you exactly what things look like without rose tinted nostalgia goggles, delusions or blind fanboyism towards any particular vendor.

Can't wait, mate.