Got this lot of sound cards for a couple of quid.

The 4DWave card looks interesting. S/PDIF and what looks like a space for a SB Link connector. I wonder if it would be possible to solder a connector to it? Nice Yamaha YMF724 card in the bunch too.

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

Carlos S. M. wrote:

Yea, the Intel was easier as it went straight from AGP 478 to PCIe 775. Whereas with AMD there was AGP 754 and 939. Then PCIe 754 and 939, and then they went with AM2.

I think I will do videos on the 939 AGP stuff, single core, and then move straight to AM2 vs 775 with a faster PCIe graphics. But I digress.

Well, if you will compare 939 against AM2, i would recoming using both single and dual core 939 CPUs, as well with both AGP and PCI-E 939 systems, since 939 era was mostly PCI-E during their lifetime plus you can compare 939 vs AM2 directly using the same videocard, also you are comparing agaist Intel as well (Intel's counterpart for 939 and AM2 were mainly PCI-E based except for the earlier Socket 478 prescott systems with AGP and 875/865 series chipset).

I remember in Anandtech's review of Socket AM2, they compared the highest end Athlon 64 FX for AM2 (FX-62) vs the highest end dual core 939 Athlon FX (FX-60) and the Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/2012/8)

939 rivals were:
(Single Core)
Pentium 4 Prescott (Socket 478)
Pentium 4 500 and 600 series (LGA 775)
(Dual Core)
Pentium D 800 series like 820, 830, 840...
Pentium D 900 series like 940, 950, 960..

AM2 main rivals were (i said before, but i forgot 1 CPU):
Pentium D 900 series like 940, 950, 960..
Pentium Extreme Edition 955 and 965
Core 2 Extreme x6800
Core 2 Duo E6xxx
Core 2 Duo E4xxx

Bancho wrote:

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Got this lot of sound cards for a couple of quid.

The 4DWave card looks interesting. S/PDIF and what looks like a space for a SB Link connector. I wonder if it would be possible to solder a connector to it? Nice Yamaha YMF724 card in the bunch too.

What's the unpopulated header in the top right corner of the YMF-724 card?

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote:

EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 9800GTX+ 512MB PCI-E (Paid 8.50 + 6.50 shipping). This will most likely go in place of the 8800GTX (I also plan to benchmark the 2 agianst each other)

I know it's not a 9800 GTX+, but here: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-G … TX/m8342vsm9271

Jade Falcon wrote:

People still use ac5? Such a bad buy these days.

Of course we still use AS5. Their formula hasn't changed, and it's still the best performing product for the price for a TIM.

The main reason I use it is the "lasting" effect. Once you "Bond" two thermal surfaces together with AS5 and go through a few high heat and cooling cycles, it does chemically "bond" to both surfaces. And over time it doesn't "Dry out" like other alternatives. I still have one of my HD 4890's left I put AS5 in, back in 2008 and it still heats and cools just as good today as it did in 2008 (I brought it out and used it again just 2 months ago.. still runs fine and just as cool as 7 years ago).

AS5 is one of the only TIM's that will last so long once you install it. Most other cheaper ones will dry out years before AS5 will.

I use AS5 exclusively in all of my computer parts and I've never used anything else. It's never, ever let me down on any application. I use it in my video cards, my old computers, and even my modern i7-3770k for it's 4.8 ghz overclock.

And I would strongly suggest other folks still use it as well if you want your parts to last and cool properly for many years.

Another +1 for AS5. Used it for over 5 years on everything with no issue.

Oh yes! Relevant to the thread, the Corsair SF450 arrived for the retro capable box today.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-139-156

With such a small case, I decided modular would be the way to go. I've never had a modular PSU of my own.

I'm a big fan of "big can o' zinc oxide". Arctic silver's claims about real silver boosting performance were always bullshit. Pure water would arguably be the best TIM if spills and dessication weren't a problem.

Bancho wrote:

The 4DWave card looks interesting. S/PDIF and what looks like a space for a SB Link connector. I wonder if it would be possible to solder a connector to it? Nice Yamaha YMF724 card in the bunch too.

Huh, I had no idea that Trident made a sound card... This must have been around the time of CyberBlade?

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

Yea, the Intel was easier as it went straight from AGP 478 to PCIe 775. Whereas with AMD there was AGP 754 and 939. Then PCIe 754 and 939, and then they went with AM2.

erm... no. There's LGA775 AGP boards, as well as LGA775 AGP + PCI-E boards, and DDR1 + DDR2 combo boards, just like their AMD counterparts. As a matter of fact some of the easterly LGa775 boards were AGP/DDR1 only.

This is the Abit AS8 - LGA775 + AGP and DDR1 (i865). There's also i945 upgrade boards with AGP, or AGP + PCI-E, most notably from Asrock.

kanecvr wrote:

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

Yea, the Intel was easier as it went straight from AGP 478 to PCIe 775. Whereas with AMD there was AGP 754 and 939. Then PCIe 754 and 939, and then they went with AM2.

erm... no. There's LGA775 AGP boards, as well as LGA775 AGP + PCI-E boards, and DDR1 + DDR2 combo boards, just like their AMD counterparts. As a matter of fact some of the easterly LGa775 boards were AGP/DDR1 only.

I did not say such boards don't exist.

Found the following cards by pure happenstance today:

Diamond Monster Sound PCI (MX200 i think?) + AdWave32 2MB WaveBlaster!

Gravis Ultrasound Classic rev 3.4 ISA.

Paid ~€30 each for those two babies!

The Diamond card was in great condition, but the Gravis was pretty dirty. Functional? Unknown as of yet.

Also found a random ATX backplate with just the old AT keyboard cutout. Got that one for free.

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

kanecvr wrote:

PhilsComputerLab wrote:

Yea, the Intel was easier as it went straight from AGP 478 to PCIe 775. Whereas with AMD there was AGP 754 and 939. Then PCIe 754 and 939, and then they went with AM2.

erm... no. There's LGA775 AGP boards, as well as LGA775 AGP + PCI-E boards, and DDR1 + DDR2 combo boards, just like their AMD counterparts. As a matter of fact some of the easterly LGa775 boards were AGP/DDR1 only.

I did not say such boards don't exist.

... that's what I understood. Back in the day when LGA775 was out, I remember over half the boards available in shops here were AGP. PCI-E boards were few and more expensive, and din't sell too well in the first couple of years because most people were reluctant to let go of their AGP video cards. Upgrade boards sold really well here - they're still quite easy to find second hand. AGP LGA775 boards are also easy to find here. Good PCI-E boards based on the 965/i975 chipsets on the other hand are pretty scarce 🙁 . There are plenty of p35 boards tough. I guess most people here upgraded when the G31/P35 chipsets and Q9550 cpus came out, because these are abundant and pretty cheap.

c0keb0ttle wrote:

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Found the following cards by pure happenstance today:

Diamond Monster Sound PCI (MX200 i think?) + AdWave32 2MB WaveBlaster!

Gravis Ultrasound Classic rev 3.4 ISA.

Paid ~€30 each for those two babies!

The Diamond card was in great condition, but the Gravis was pretty dirty. Functional? Unknown as of yet.

Also found a random ATX backplate with just the old AT keyboard cutout. Got that one for free.

Yummi, yummi..... Retro sound goodness. 😜

Bancho wrote:

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Got this lot of sound cards for a couple of quid.

The 4DWave card looks interesting. S/PDIF and what looks like a space for a SB Link connector. I wonder if it would be possible to solder a connector to it? Nice Yamaha YMF724 card in the bunch too.

Trident 4DWave-NX is the only chip I know of that can load and use soundfonts (.SF2) under DOS. Unfortunately it's MIDI engine and/or TSR is flawed and the OPL3 emulation is horrible. Only good thing in DOS is the Sound Blaster 16 emulation.

For DOS I would choose the YMF724 or the ALS4000. 😀

Edit: Yeah, it's an SB link connector on the Trident card, soldered some pins and tested mine on a BX board with a SB link connector.

I've been really trying not to buy any retro hardware lately, since I accumulated a lot really quickly and haven't had as much time as I'd hoped to actually make use of it... but today I got a smoking deal and I'll definitely use it.

http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?itemID=34028130

Roland SC-55, with the GS Logo and a serial number of AD17841... which according to this thread indicates that it most likely will have a 1.2 or 1.21 firmware and be the most compatible (without workarounds) Sound Canvas model available for old games.

... and it comes with its original box, Roland AC adapter and a few misc cables! And there's a picture of it running.

$62 shipped 😲

*dances*

Can't wait to get it! 😀

kithylin wrote:

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TheAbandonwareGuy wrote:

EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 9800GTX+ 512MB PCI-E (Paid 8.50 + 6.50 shipping). This will most likely go in place of the 8800GTX (I also plan to benchmark the 2 agianst each other)

I know it's not a 9800 GTX+, but here: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-G … TX/m8342vsm9271

Jade Falcon wrote:

People still use ac5? Such a bad buy these days.

Of course we still use AS5. Their formula hasn't changed, and it's still the best performing product for the price for a TIM.

No it's not. It's a really bad buy theses days. It's not bad, but there is so many better Tims out there for the same price.

Jade Falcon wrote:

kithylin wrote:

I know it's not a 9800 GTX+, but here: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-G … TX/m8342vsm9271 […]
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TheAbandonwareGuy wrote:

EVGA NVIDIA GeForce 9800GTX+ 512MB PCI-E (Paid 8.50 + 6.50 shipping). This will most likely go in place of the 8800GTX (I also plan to benchmark the 2 agianst each other)

I know it's not a 9800 GTX+, but here: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-G … TX/m8342vsm9271

Jade Falcon wrote:

People still use ac5? Such a bad buy these days.

Of course we still use AS5. Their formula hasn't changed, and it's still the best performing product for the price for a TIM.

No it's not. It's a really bad buy theses days. It's not bad, but there is so many better Tims out there for the same price.

I bought two 14 gram tubes of Arctic Alumina for $11 last year...
https://www.amazon.com/Arctic-Silver-Alumina- … tic+alumina+14g

Two 3.5g tubes of AS5 costs the same and some part of me still worries about it getting on anything it shouldn't, even though the general consensus is that it isn't capacitive\conductive enough to do any damage. At least with 28g of Alumina I can repaste every time and apply it to every computer I work on, retro or modern, without feeling like I'm wasting liquid gold.

The performance difference between this and any of the more expensive products is so small (and also so dependent on application) that it isn't worth worrying about IMO. I remember using a plastic sandwich bag on my finger to spread Arctic Silver on my Athlon XP back in 2002 to get a perfect layer.

These days there is hardly any situation where this amount of effort makes a real difference on a modern CPU. They run cooler and much more efficiently as is, and the heat spreaders with an internal TIM generally make the TIM on the heatsink less of a limitation in cooling.

And if you're applying TIM to a vintage system, it will probably be fine with something decent and safe (like Alumina)... and there's no reason to overclock them to death, so that last 2C of temperature reduction isn't really make-or-break.

Ok guys, everyone calm down please 😊

c0keb0ttle wrote:

Found the following cards by pure happenstance today: […]
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Found the following cards by pure happenstance today:

Diamond Monster Sound PCI (MX200 i think?) + AdWave32 2MB WaveBlaster!

Gravis Ultrasound Classic rev 3.4 ISA.

Paid ~€30 each for those two babies!

The Diamond card was in great condition, but the Gravis was pretty dirty. Functional? Unknown as of yet.

Also found a random ATX backplate with just the old AT keyboard cutout. Got that one for free.

BE-A-U-TI-FUL!!!! congratulations

I've just recieve theese...
Diamond Stealth 64 PCI + Volcano 3DFX2000 8MB