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Reply 15780 of 52813, by kithylin

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Some info on how I came to the conclusion of my previously mentioned information is my ET6000 explicitly says "128-bit graphics" on the PCB in white letters. Which I thought it was at first. That was until I got curious one day and installed it in a windows XP computer then booted up and tried AIDA64 (which can read hardware specs and names on various video cards with the drivers not installed or existing) and it told me the ET6000 was running in 64-bit memory mode. Mine has two chips soldered, and the two upgrade slots empty. So.. now I know, 2 chips = 64-bit, 4 chips = 128-bit.

The part numbers for the upgrade chips are MD908-SJ. I did a quick look around and all I can find is the MD909-SJ chips, which are the bare chips that are supposed to be soldered onto a PCB, not the ones designed to be inserted into the upgrade slots.. and they might even be the wrong memory size.

Also, I forgot to mention that there are two other versions of the ET6000. Some ET6000 boards I see with two soldered-on ram chips, but the other two slots where chips would go are empty, just solder points, not even the upgrade slots. So those type of ET6000 would be -vastly- inferior and probably less desirable. And then there are some that are sold with all 4 chips soldered to the PCB and no upgrade slots.

So if you're shopping for one.. now y'all have a little more info. 😀

EDIT: Comparisons.

brostenen: Maybe if yours arrives in good shape and is functional we could get together in a new thread somewhere and try to assemble similar systems and find some sort of benchmark.. maybe those MS-DOS benchmarks from Phil's benchmark suite or something to compare the performance of yours with 4 chips in 128-bit mode vs mine in 64-bit mode to see if they're any difference or what sort of difference it makes.

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Reply 15781 of 52813, by brostenen

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10K rpm's ?? Ouch. Sounds like a blizzard. The reason why I don't use my 9.1gb IBM drives at all.
My 4.6gb IBM drives are even worse when it comes to sound polution. Only have them for experimentation.

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Reply 15783 of 52813, by kithylin

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lazibayer wrote:

Late SCSI drives are as quiet as regular desktops'. I had two Fujitsu MBA series 15K RPM and they are not noticeably louder than a 7200 RPM drive.

Yep most 15k SAS drives (later than actual SCSI drives) are very quiet, as quiet as or quieter than normal desktop drives. The only time they're actually heard is some of em "clatter" a little under heavy read-write. But the actual sound from spinning is nearly inaudible

Reply 15784 of 52813, by mightylaocrahcot

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Got some SCSI goodies at a local pickup last week. Bought it blind, without knowing the specifics of the content.

First image is a Tallgrass FS500 with seven DC6150 tapes (QIC 150MB), five of which are new. The drive inside the case is a cipher ST150S-II/90 from 1991. I was happy to find this, since I was looking to install AMIX in my Amiga 2000. This drive might do the job, at least it is using the correct tapes.

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Second image: more tape drives.
The large one on the bottom contains an Archive 4324np, which I believe is DDS-1.
On top of it is a Seagate STT320000n for TR-5 or Travan tapes. The bunch of tapes in the image is for this one.
The internal drive is a Conner CTM 3200r-s for QIC-3080 tapes.

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PCI Adaptec AHA-2940AU
PCI Adaptec AHA-2940
ISA AdvanSys ABP-5140/42
ISA Adaptec/Compaq AHA-1532P
ISA Adaptec AHA-1542B

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NEC CDR-1410A 8x 50-pin
IBM dors-32160 2160MB 50-pin

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And lastly...
Seagate ST4766N, 5.25 inch 676MB 50-pin

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This last one was a curse, if it works. It means that I "have to" find a heavy IBM AT style case and a full height floppy drive, and put it together with the 286 motherboard that I'm currently waiting for... This hobby is a bottomless pit. 😵

All of the above cost me 65 EUR, so I guess I did a better deal than buying separately at eBay at least.

Some more nice-to-haves from fleemarket this week:

Yamaha external SCSI CD-writer, 8/4/24 SCSI 50-pin
NIB Samsung Super-WriteMaster 18x/18x DVD-R DVD+R
NIB 4-way KVM, PS/2 with sound switching.
4-way data switch, parallell port (to be used for MPU-401)

Reply 15785 of 52813, by blurks

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kithylin wrote:

That was until I got curious one day and installed it in a windows XP computer then booted up and tried AIDA64 (which can read hardware specs and names on various video cards with the drivers not installed or existing) and it told me the ET6000 was running in 64-bit memory mode.

These tools normally don't analyze the hardware to get most of the detailled information (applies to CPU-Z and GPU-Z as well). They look up their internal database for many aspects, which can either be correct or incorrect. In some cases, they just analyze the driver information files. I suspect, there are still many errors hidden among the databases, as the developers normally don't have a universal knowledge of all available hardware manufacturers, their models and the corresponding specifications.

Reply 15786 of 52813, by Jade Falcon

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Someone change my paypal password 🤣 bought a 5th Quantum Atlas Drive. I guess I'll do my dual piii system right. 😎 still on the lookout for a more ideal video card, but the x850xt I have will do for now.

Reply 15787 of 52813, by brostenen

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kithylin wrote:

brostenen: Maybe if yours arrives in good shape and is functional we could get together in a new thread somewhere and try to assemble similar systems and find some sort of benchmark.. maybe those MS-DOS benchmarks from Phil's benchmark suite or something to compare the performance of yours with 4 chips in 128-bit mode vs mine in 64-bit mode to see if they're any difference or what sort of difference it makes.

Shure we can. I have a couple of loose ends regarding benchmarks too. I have promised to bench my TNT2-Ultra for another forum member.
Still not shure how to do that propperly, as I might not have the same hardware as he has. You know... Motherboard, CPU and so on.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 15788 of 52813, by brostenen

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Sweet..... SCSI stuff are awesomme to work with. Once someone get's a hang of it, he or she will love it.
To me, the installation and setup process are superior to that of PATA. So much more to tinker with.
PATA are more or less just setting one jumper and off you go. SCSI are just way more cool.

If you bench them harddrives. Can you report that back, and perhaps do a comparison to PATA of same size?

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Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 15789 of 52813, by Carlos S. M.

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Got an old ASUS A7V-E for my Athlon 1200, is a KT133 motherboard with the VIA 686B southbridge, 1x AGP 4x and 6 PCI, supports FSB 200 Socket A CPUs including Athlon XP based Durons, i plan to pair mine with an Athlon 1200 though or an XP-M if is possible to get it working

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Reply 15790 of 52813, by lazibayer

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Jade Falcon wrote:

Someone change my paypal password 🤣 bought a 5th Quantum Atlas Drive. I guess I'll do my dual piii system right. 😎 still on the lookout for a more ideal video card, but the x850xt I have will do for now.

Done and done 🤣
May I ask why you are so into Atlas?

Reply 15791 of 52813, by FuzzyLogic

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I bought a Shuttle 597V14 (HOT-597?) to replace the FIC VA-503+ I bought which died five minutes after its first boot. This one came with an AMD processor, which I didn't really care about. It turns out it is a K6-2 500. I might play with it after I get my P233MMX going.

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Reply 15792 of 52813, by melbar

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FuzzyLogic wrote:

I bought a Shuttle 597V14 (HOT-597?) to replace the FIC VA-503+ I bought which died five minutes after its first boot.

Nice HOT-597.

I have nearly the same board, but the 512kb L2 cache version only.
You should have the 1Mb version (two TM chips).

Have got it also with an AMD K6-2 500. I let it onboard cause it gives me better "time-maschine" features than a pentium 1.

#1 K6-2/500, #2 Athlon1200, #3 Celeron1000A, #4 A64-3700, #5 P4HT-3200, #6 P4-2800, #7 Am486DX2-66

Reply 15793 of 52813, by kithylin

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blurks wrote:
kithylin wrote:

That was until I got curious one day and installed it in a windows XP computer then booted up and tried AIDA64 (which can read hardware specs and names on various video cards with the drivers not installed or existing) and it told me the ET6000 was running in 64-bit memory mode.

These tools normally don't analyze the hardware to get most of the detailled information (applies to CPU-Z and GPU-Z as well). They look up their internal database for many aspects, which can either be correct or incorrect. In some cases, they just analyze the driver information files. I suspect, there are still many errors hidden among the databases, as the developers normally don't have a universal knowledge of all available hardware manufacturers, their models and the corresponding specifications.

Actually AIDA64 / Everest Ultimate are unique in that they can read information off of things with -NO DRIVERS- currently installed. It actually polls the real hardware at the hardware level, not "reading off of some database". Like It reads the hardware ID off of the hardware it's self and then matches what it is.

Like I said.. in my post. Logically if the card it's self says it's "supposed" to be 128-bit, but everest reads it as currently 64-bit, with some ram missing, then that's what it means. Which is not truly uncommon. I have some s3 video cards that have done the same thing. Read in everest as 64-bit, then shut down install ram chips, boot up and everest reads em as 128-bit.

Reply 15794 of 52813, by Jade Falcon

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lazibayer wrote:
Jade Falcon wrote:

Someone change my paypal password 🤣 bought a 5th Quantum Atlas Drive. I guess I'll do my dual piii system right. 😎 still on the lookout for a more ideal video card, but the x850xt I have will do for now.

Done and done 🤣
May I ask why you are so into Atlas?

Yeah I don't know ether. I wanted to do a raid setup on my new build and I got a really good deal on 4 of the 5.
I guess I wanted the sound of 5 old 10k rpm Quantum drives and liked the price.

I also picked up a SATA to IDE thingy for my Beige SATA DVD burner. I have been putting in a lot of extra hours at work and now I'll finally have my dream system. A dual 1.4ghz Piii with ISA, Raid and AGP 2.0, 2gb ram and voodoo2 sli. All I have left to get is 2 80mm fans and some dust filters, the voodoo2's and it will be perfect.

Reply 15796 of 52813, by Skyscraper

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I own a SuperMicro SUPER S2DGU Slot 2 motherboard that won't post with my Xeon 900 2m 2.8V*, 0.18um Cascades CPUs. The motherboard has some bad caps but my gut feeling tells me that it isn't the reason for the boards failure to even post.

*I guess there are some VRMs in the cartridge as 0.18um CPUs don't like 2.8V.

I think that the S2DGU do not support Cascades CPUs, at least not the 900 MHz 2M ones with it's current BIOS. I found a decent deal on a full house of the 2M 2.0V version of Tanner family CPUs which is the older 0.25um kind of Slot 2 Xeons and I hope I will have better luck with these.

I don't want to spend time and money on recapping the motherboard until I know that it works as it will be both expensive because there are strict limitations on the size of the caps and there are 40 of them and a real pain to solder as the solder pads are really small and close together.

Seen on the picture are 4x Xeon 500 2M 2.0V and 4x Xeon 550 2M 2.0V. It's the sellers picture but the CPUs should be here in the middle of next week I hope.

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New PC: i9 12900K @5GHz all cores @1.2v. MSI PRO Z690-A. 32GB DDR4 3600 CL14. 3070Ti.
Old PC: Dual Xeon X5690@4.6GHz, EVGA SR-2, 48GB DDR3R@2000MHz, Intel X25-M. GTX 980ti.
Older PC: K6-3+ 400@600MHz, PC-Chips M577, 256MB SDRAM, AWE64, Voodoo Banshee.

Reply 15797 of 52813, by c0keb0ttle

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Two nice Tseng cards for the collection:

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1. Tseng ET4000AX - VGA-Sync / Bona Computech 1MB
2. Tseng ET6000 - JATON Video Magic 128 4MB

Reply 15798 of 52813, by keropi

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not retro but for retro use... got a package from Serdaco some days ago and after some soldering:

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Reply 15799 of 52813, by Nvm1

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I hit the jackpot last week while searching the web and the items arrived today 😈
1: Asus P5A-B with a PS2/Printerport bracket missing the PS2 part 😐
2. Gigabyte GA-5AX with AMD K6 233 and cooler
3. Asus P2L97 with a P2 333mhz and some ram
4. Asus P2B-DS with 2x 400mhz P2 and some ram
5. Slotket adapter for all except Tualatins with an unknown cpu on it under a fan and cooler
6. Unknown 486 VLB mobo with a DX33 and 256k cache (and a minorly leaking barrel battery 😵 ) must be salvagable. Has SIS 461 chipset
7. QD-U486DX mobo with a 33mhz 486DX and full cache banks (unknown size). Barrel battery did more damage on this one, but it looks te be only on the surface. Gonna try and rescue this one too. Also has 8mb RAM.
8. Unknown 486 ISA mobo with another 33mhz 486 and 256k cache. Barrel battery just started to show some crystals growing on one side but no damage to the board. This chipset is a SIS-BTQ 401 (never saw this one before)
9. 486-HC-HD motherboard with 128kb cache and unknown RAM size (probably 16mb). CPU is also unknown because it sits under a very odd looking cooler. Board has a Dallis RTC soldered onboard and a VIA chipset. Gonna test it and will solder a socket for a newer or modded dallas RTC on it.
10. Diamond Viper V550 16MB AGP Nvidia Riva TNT in very good looking condition
11. Matrox Mystique MY220P/4l 4MB PCI vga card
12. ATI Rage Fury 128 8MB AGP vga card in a pretty used condition. Lots of dirt on it, missing screw from the backplate and by the looks of it had a hard life.

And all this for €100 shipped... 🤣
Gonna have busy evening testing and cleaning everything! Will post pics asap.